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		<title>The Sweeper: Manchester United Fans Branded Thugs</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Dunmore</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thugs armed with tomato sauce, that is.]]></description>
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<dt class="wp-caption-dt"><strong><img class="size-medium wp-image-4125" title="A Man United fan" src="http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/man-united-273x300.jpg" alt="A Man United fan" width="273" height="300" /></strong></dt>
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<p>Big Story<br />
</strong>Every time crowd trouble breaks out involving an English team as it did this week when <strong>Manchester United</strong> fans visited <strong>Barnsley</strong> in the Carling Cup, we get the &#8220;return to the dark ages&#8221; pieces that suggest these are nostalgic occasions akin to 70s night at your local disco. <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6894747.ece"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6894747.ece">Oliver Kay has an interesting piece in The Times</a> on it that pinpoints when and where this trouble is tending to break out &#8212; rather than seeing them as random accidents in the time-space continuum &#8212; pointing out that there is a particular trend towards trouble on away days for big clubs in smaller towns in the Carling Cup as &#8220;the competition is, by virtue of low ticket prices and a reduced uptake  from the more established support, accessible to troublemakers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kay says that Manchester United fans as a whole are, as seen at Old Trafford, amongst the best-behaved in the country; but that on away days, &#8220;United fans behave differently&#8221; and that they lead the nation in arrests (though he fails to point out it&#8217;s highly likely more of them travel than for any other club).</p>
<p>Thousands of them travelled to Barnsley this Tuesday, and Kay makes it clear policing was not at its best, reporting that police &#8220;reacted hysterically by trying  to confiscate a banner that stated “United&gt;England” and that they acted &#8220;hostilely. . .herding them to a “compound”  nearby before the match&#8221;.</p>
<p>Kay asks if heavy-handed policing is really the answer, whilst not letting United supporters off the hook for their own culpability as multiple arrests were made and with thousands of pounds of property damage. The club themselves <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/28/manchester-united-fans-barnsley-carling-cup">branded the trouble-makers as &#8220;thugs&#8221;</a>, and the authorities ought to rethink how they handle these away days. Though I have to say it was amusing to <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1223630/Manchester-United-face-compensation-demand-Oakwell-rampage.html#ixzz0VKuz4tQp">read this account of the trouble</a>: &#8220;The fans jumped over the counter and in one case kicked the door in, and started attacking the staff with tomato sauce.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not exactly the ICF, are they?</p>
<p><strong>Worldwide News</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>The <strong>MLS playoffs </strong>get underway today, and there&#8217;s plenty of deserved praise for the <strong>Seattle Sounders</strong> ahead of their match-up with the Houston Dynamo tonight, though <a href="http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mls29-2009oct29,0,1427799.story">Grahame Jones in the LA Times</a> is rather generous in this eulogising piece: &#8220;One more victory would have given Seattle the best mark in MLS.&#8221;, he writes, ignoring that Columbus took their foot off the gas as they had that sewn up even before their final game (a defeat) against New England. He also says Seattle have &#8220;Created several new MLS traditions&#8221;, but only provides Drew Carey&#8217;s marching band as an example, a tradition they can keep in Seattle. Seattle have done great, but lets remember they&#8217;ll need to win the league to match the best ever expansion performance &#8211;the  <strong>Chicago Fire&#8217;s</strong> double in 1998. You just knew I had to mention that, didn&#8217;t you?</li>
<li>As <strong>Rangers&#8217;</strong> crisis deepens, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/29/rangers-lloyds-scottland-football">supporters&#8217; groups are threatening to boycott Lloyds bank</a>, who in many ways now essentially control the club.</li>
<li>It looks as if the end-game has been reached in America&#8217;s lower-league power struggle, with the two Canadian teams who contested the <strong>USL-1</strong> final just earlier this month <a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/cbc/story.html?id=2000330863">set to leave the league</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/sports/rss/sow/SIG=12ut3i2sb/*http%3A//sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=goal-googlemapslaunchesinsouthaf&amp;prov=goal&amp;type=lgns">Google Maps has launched in South Africa</a>, just in time for you to plan your trip to <strong>World Cup 2010</strong>.</li>
<li><a href="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=690923&amp;sec=worldcup2010&amp;cc=5901&amp;campaign=rss&amp;source=soccernet">FIFA are investigating</a> <strong>Diego Maradona&#8217;s</strong> remarkable press conference tirade following Argentina&#8217;s qualification to the World Cup, with his lawyer defending his behaviour because of his &#8220;state of violent emotion&#8221;. This sounds like an excuse we should all start using.</li>
<li><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=goal-asiancommentpohangsteelersa&amp;prov=goal&amp;type=lgns">John Duerden at Goal</a> previews the <strong>Asian Champions League final</strong>, flying as ever under my radar, unfortunately.</li>
<li>Wait, <a href="http://rss.soccernet.com/c/668/f/8493/s/6d54c60/l/0Lsoccernet0Bespn0Bgo0N0Cnews0Cstory0Did0F690A9930Gsec0Fengland0Gcc0F57390Gcampaign0Frss0Gsource0Fsoccernet/story01.htm"><strong>Phil Brown</strong> still has a job</a>?</li>
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<p><strong>The Sweeper appears daily. For more rambling and links throughout the day every day, follow your editor Tom Dunmore <a href="http://www.twitter.com/pitchinvasion">@pitchinvasion on Twitter</a>.</strong></p>
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		<title>The Sweeper: West Ham and Millwall Return England to the Dark Ages (or so we&#8217;re told)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Dunmore</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Carling Cup]]></category>
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<div id="attachment_2508" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><strong><strong><img class="size-medium wp-image-2508" title="Millwall West Ham pitch invasion" src="http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/millwall-westham-300x168.jpg" alt="Millwall West Ham pitch invasion" width="300" height="168" /></strong></strong><p class="wp-caption-text">Millwall - West Ham pitch invasion</p></div>
<p><strong>Big Story</strong></p>
<p>The big story, of course, is the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/26/west-ham-millwall-violence-fa">serious trouble that broke out at the <strong>West Ham-Millwall</strong> Carling Cup match last night</a>. The disgraceful scenes have brought out all the old chestnuts in the press about English football at home and abroad: perhaps my favourite <a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2009/08/a-bloody-bad-show-for-english-soccer.html">comes from the USA Today</a>, who under the headline &#8220;A bloody bad show for English soccer&#8221; lead with &#8220;Even by the low standards of English soccer, last night&#8217;s violence at a soccer match in London was epic.&#8221;  Right, &#8220;epic&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure it felt &#8220;epic&#8221; to be West Ham player Jack Collison bravely playing just days after the death of his father in a match ruined by what we&#8217;re obliged to call &#8220;so-called football fans&#8221;.</p>
<p>And of course, fearing a worldwide resurgence of such a stereotype of the English game, England&#8217;s 2018 World Cup bid committee <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8222478.stm">immediately chirped up to condemn the scenes</a>, as if what they had to say mattered one jot right now (&#8220;A tiny minority have deflected from the passion and dedication that millions of genuine fans show every week for our national game.&#8221;).  The FA chimes in by boasting that &#8220;We are seen as one of the leaders, if not the leader, in the way that we have tackled hooliganism and disorder in our grounds over the past 30 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that one bad night doesn&#8217;t mean the English disease back, with disorder numbers at English games continuing to decline year-on-year. There&#8217;s a tough balance for normal football fans who want no part of this: while it&#8217;s clear the authorities need to take strong action against West Ham and Millwall (and they really ought to look at how the police failed to prevent an obviously inflammatory match deteriorating into utter chaos), as <a href="http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=1886">Two Hundred Percent sensibly comments</a> the concern is that football fan&#8217;s civil liberties will again be under threat from a draconian over-reaction, especially if the fear is the World Cup bid is on the line.</p>
<p>Still, at least Danny Dyer&#8217;s career got another breath of life, eh?</p>
<p><strong>Worldwide</strong></p>
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<li>There was some pretty poor behaviour on the pitch in the Carling Cup last night as well. Sheffield Wednesday&#8217;s <strong>Francis Jeffers</strong> was transfer-listed and fined immediately after a game in which he was <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/low/football/teams/s/sheff_wed/8222548.stm">sent-off for punching and headbutting an opponent</a>.</li>
<li>There was further madness in the Carling Cup as <strong>Swansea </strong><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/26/carling-cup-round-up">were reduced to six men</a> due to a combination of two red cards for violent play and several injuries. They went down 2-1 to Scunthorpe after extra time, with manager Paolo Sousa barely condemning his team, saying that &#8220;We have been provoked and we have reacted not in a good way but my way is to protect my players.&#8221;</li>
<li>In lighter and somewhat more bizarre news, <strong>Peter Andre</strong> is to serenade <strong>Muhammed Ali</strong> at <a href="http://www.stokecityfc.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10310~1768500,00.html">the Greatest Luncheon Ever at Stoke City</a>.</li>
<li>Quiet in class! The <strong>2018 and 2022 World Cup</strong> bid teams are all <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/sports/rss/sow/SIG=129d4bh4u/*http%3A//sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=txwcupbidders&amp;prov=st&amp;type=lgns">studiously following Fifa&#8217;s lead this week</a>, in Zurich for something described as &#8220;knowledge transfer&#8221;. As long as it&#8217;s not the transfer of brown envelopes, that&#8217;s cool.</li>
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<p><strong>North America</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Television ratings for <strong>ESPN2&#8242;s Premier Leagu</strong>e broadcasts hit record highs in the United States. In only the second week of transmission, Wigan-Manchester United draw 374,799 at 10am EST on Saturday, followed by an even stronger total viewing audience of 398,391 for Liverpool-Aston Villa on Monday afternoon. These numbers already dwarf the audiences for MLS broadcasts on primetime on ESPN2 and those achieved last year for the Premier League by niche channels FSC and Setanta.</li>
<li>Two long-touted US youth internationals <strong>Charles Renken</strong> and <strong>Joseph Gyau</strong> <a href="http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/08/usa-youth-stars-renken-gyau-sign-deals-with-1899-hoffenheim.html">will be joining Hoffenheim&#8217;s development program in Germany</a>, splitting time with the Vancouver Whitecaps. The troubling news is word that the two were unsettled at US Soccer&#8217;s Bradenton academy.</li>
<li>Speaking of Vancouver, is their stadium revamp in danger?  <strong>Vancouver Whitecaps</strong> President Bob Lenarduzzi <a href="http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/blog/post/293013">hardly put out the fire by saying</a> it was just a &#8220;rumor&#8221;. Government support for the $365-million upgrade to B.C. Place, including a retractable roof, appears to fast be waning.</li>
<li>Malian international <strong>Bakary Soumar</strong>e <a href="http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1734743,082609sptfire.article">finally spoke out</a> about the aftermath of his clash with <strong>Chicago Fire</strong> head coach <strong>Denis Hamlett</strong> that led to his transfer this week to <strong>Boulogne</strong>. The two were involved in a physical confrontation at half-time of the Fire&#8217;s match against Houston a few weeks ago. Pitch Invasion wishes Bakary well in France, and thanks him for once coming out to watch your editor and other Fire supporters lose a recreational match 7-0!</li>
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