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	<title>Comments on: A Mental Game: Us versus Them and the Social Psychology of Fandom</title>
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		<title>By: Mediating South Africa 2010: Parting Thoughts and Sources &#124; Pitch Invasion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mediating South Africa 2010: Parting Thoughts and Sources &#124; Pitch Invasion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 16:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Africa and half not, but the pieces that have gotten the most comments and links are about the psychology of fan rivalries and the demographics of American [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Mental Game: On Happiness, or Does it Matter Who Wins? &#124; Pitch Invasion</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Mental Game: On Happiness, or Does it Matter Who Wins? &#124; Pitch Invasion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 13:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in Africa—though his other efforts to write about ‘A Mental Game’ can be found here and here.  He can be contacted at drewguest (at) hotmail.com.  Tagged as: England, World [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in Africa—though his other efforts to write about ‘A Mental Game’ can be found here and here.  He can be contacted at drewguest (at) hotmail.com.  Tagged as: England, World [...]</p>
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		<title>By: watchat</title>
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		<dc:creator>watchat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch kayoed, person blended to alumna educate. Oscitancy.</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Dose 07.04.10 #germany #bundesliga &#124; soccer ts</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2010/03/29/a-mental-game-us-versus-them-and-the-social-psychology-of-fandom/comment-page-1/#comment-22626</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Dose 07.04.10 #germany #bundesliga &#124; soccer ts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An in-depth analysis of the phenomena that contributes to Bayern still having so many fans nonetheless. (Pitch Invasion) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Dose 07.04.10 - - The Offside - German Football League Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Dose 07.04.10 - - The Offside - German Football League Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An in-depth analysis of the phenomena that contributes to Bayern still having so many fans nonetheless. (Pitch Invasion) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for the continued interesting comments.  It&#039;s good to hear some insight into people&#039;s specific experiences with and perspectives on the Timbers/Sounders stuff, but also good to see mentions of how some of the same principles are at work in places as diverse as Southampton/Portsmouth and Tunisia.

Because the point was that while the Timbers/Sounders provide some examples that are fun to unpack, the phenomenon is broader than that.  I&#039;d suggest all rivalries anywhere in the world have some things that are truly local and unique, while simultaneously having somethings that are universal and shared.  For me the balance between those is what makes the culture of the game so great.  I was trying to explore one piece of that in this article just to offer some perspective--but I agree with some of the comments suggesting other factors are involved as well (the identity investment, the &#039;pantomime&#039; that is always part of human behavior, etc.).  

And to any fans who might feel judged by my analysis, I&#039;ll just re-emphasize something I wrote in the piece:  &quot;the edginess and intensity of passionate fan allegiance is often a crucial element of what makes a great match so much fun for everyone involved.&quot;  I do tend to think there are some lines that shouldn&#039;t be crossed, but I also value how the hardcores create glorious emotion around the game that touches even those of us who over-rely on intellectualization as a defense mechanism.  It&#039;s all appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the continued interesting comments.  It&#8217;s good to hear some insight into people&#8217;s specific experiences with and perspectives on the Timbers/Sounders stuff, but also good to see mentions of how some of the same principles are at work in places as diverse as Southampton/Portsmouth and Tunisia.</p>
<p>Because the point was that while the Timbers/Sounders provide some examples that are fun to unpack, the phenomenon is broader than that.  I&#8217;d suggest all rivalries anywhere in the world have some things that are truly local and unique, while simultaneously having somethings that are universal and shared.  For me the balance between those is what makes the culture of the game so great.  I was trying to explore one piece of that in this article just to offer some perspective&#8211;but I agree with some of the comments suggesting other factors are involved as well (the identity investment, the &#8216;pantomime&#8217; that is always part of human behavior, etc.).  </p>
<p>And to any fans who might feel judged by my analysis, I&#8217;ll just re-emphasize something I wrote in the piece:  &#8220;the edginess and intensity of passionate fan allegiance is often a crucial element of what makes a great match so much fun for everyone involved.&#8221;  I do tend to think there are some lines that shouldn&#8217;t be crossed, but I also value how the hardcores create glorious emotion around the game that touches even those of us who over-rely on intellectualization as a defense mechanism.  It&#8217;s all appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: pong</title>
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		<dc:creator>pong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was one of the people that made the cobain banner. if it wasn&#039;t this banner, you would bring up the &quot;real fans hate levesque&quot; banner that was held while roger was playing in a timbers kit.  If it wasn&#039;t over the top stuff like this, Mr. Guest would not have a &quot;rivalry&quot; and more fierce than NYRB vs KCWizzz.  Rivalries are about irrational over-the-top reactions.  It is a banner FFS. It was to get into his head during the match. It failed, but it got into yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was one of the people that made the cobain banner. if it wasn&#8217;t this banner, you would bring up the &#8220;real fans hate levesque&#8221; banner that was held while roger was playing in a timbers kit.  If it wasn&#8217;t over the top stuff like this, Mr. Guest would not have a &#8220;rivalry&#8221; and more fierce than NYRB vs KCWizzz.  Rivalries are about irrational over-the-top reactions.  It is a banner FFS. It was to get into his head during the match. It failed, but it got into yours.</p>
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		<title>By: rw</title>
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		<dc:creator>rw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a clip for anyone who doubts the history of the Seattle/Portland rivalry.

http://bit.ly/asOZqC

It may have been in hibernation for a while, but it&#039;s been there all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a clip for anyone who doubts the history of the Seattle/Portland rivalry.</p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/asOZqC" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/asOZqC</a></p>
<p>It may have been in hibernation for a while, but it&#8217;s been there all along.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanterne Rouge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lanterne Rouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suggest that there are differences in the way fans behave at and away from the ground. We all enjoy a good sing-a-long of &quot;you&#039;re not singing anymore&quot; or &quot;is there a fire drill?&quot; when the opposing fans flood out of the arena, but the same folks we&#039;ll taunt from across the terraces will be happily accompanied for a drink and indulged with in banter back in normal life. OK, there are extreme rivalries including that between Celtic and Rangers in Scotland but only complete meatheads would maintain strong antagonism away from the football watching experience. England fans the length and breadth of the country will have been booing John Terry in recent weeks, but all will be cheering him in South Africa in June. Much of the posturing in stadia is pure pantomime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest that there are differences in the way fans behave at and away from the ground. We all enjoy a good sing-a-long of &#8220;you&#8217;re not singing anymore&#8221; or &#8220;is there a fire drill?&#8221; when the opposing fans flood out of the arena, but the same folks we&#8217;ll taunt from across the terraces will be happily accompanied for a drink and indulged with in banter back in normal life. OK, there are extreme rivalries including that between Celtic and Rangers in Scotland but only complete meatheads would maintain strong antagonism away from the football watching experience. England fans the length and breadth of the country will have been booing John Terry in recent weeks, but all will be cheering him in South Africa in June. Much of the posturing in stadia is pure pantomime.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, definitely a good read from a perspective that is not the usual one.

One detail though: You wrote about how some Timbers supporters put up the &quot;Keller do the Cobain&quot; banner despite Keller has strong ties to Portland and the Timbers. You miss the mark there completely. They put up that banner BECAUSE Keller has these strong ties. Going to the rival team is the ultimate sin in supporter culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, definitely a good read from a perspective that is not the usual one.</p>
<p>One detail though: You wrote about how some Timbers supporters put up the &#8220;Keller do the Cobain&#8221; banner despite Keller has strong ties to Portland and the Timbers. You miss the mark there completely. They put up that banner BECAUSE Keller has these strong ties. Going to the rival team is the ultimate sin in supporter culture.</p>
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