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		<title>By: arnique</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rednowred4ever: Arsenal took out the loan to construct Ashburton Grove and the residential development at Highbury, which provides jobs and community regeneration for hundreds in the North London Area. The increase in ground capacity and subsequent rise in profits is well worth the initial outlay. Additionally, Arsenal has paid off 40% of its total debt in late February, not through write-offs that ignore structural problems like at Chelsea and Manchester City, but through money earned from the sale of its Arsenal Stadium flats. In less than five years since its move, Arsenal has only GBP 13 million left to pay out of its construction loan of GBP 130+. 

As for Kroenke and Usmanov, Arsenal hopes to keep them at bay. We&#039;ve seen what private ownership has down to the Reds of Manchester and Liverpool. We don&#039;t want to go down the path of Pompey and we certainly don&#039;t want the wham-baam-thank-you-maam succession of managers at Chelsea, etc. Mixed ownership in which there is a balance of power between large shareholders with a long term vested interest in the club (like the Hill-Woods though DAMN they shouldn&#039;t have off loaded their majority stake a long time ago), fans with a few shares, and some investment/insurance companies is the way to go. That, and you know, Arsene Wenger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rednowred4ever: Arsenal took out the loan to construct Ashburton Grove and the residential development at Highbury, which provides jobs and community regeneration for hundreds in the North London Area. The increase in ground capacity and subsequent rise in profits is well worth the initial outlay. Additionally, Arsenal has paid off 40% of its total debt in late February, not through write-offs that ignore structural problems like at Chelsea and Manchester City, but through money earned from the sale of its Arsenal Stadium flats. In less than five years since its move, Arsenal has only GBP 13 million left to pay out of its construction loan of GBP 130+. </p>
<p>As for Kroenke and Usmanov, Arsenal hopes to keep them at bay. We&#8217;ve seen what private ownership has down to the Reds of Manchester and Liverpool. We don&#8217;t want to go down the path of Pompey and we certainly don&#8217;t want the wham-baam-thank-you-maam succession of managers at Chelsea, etc. Mixed ownership in which there is a balance of power between large shareholders with a long term vested interest in the club (like the Hill-Woods though DAMN they shouldn&#8217;t have off loaded their majority stake a long time ago), fans with a few shares, and some investment/insurance companies is the way to go. That, and you know, Arsene Wenger.</p>
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		<title>By: bayliner_covers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for information, I&#039;ll always keep updated here!</description>
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		<title>By: A Brief Post on Post Post Colonialism</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Brief Post on Post Post Colonialism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in Manchester continue to protest against the Glazers, they at least have focused squarely on the family in question. At least as of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Webmaster Forum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not be that surprised now.</description>
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		<title>By: Bulk van der Huge</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly what is wrong with American ownership.  The money doesn&#039;t go to support the team or to put a better product out for the fans, it goes to line the owners&#039; pockets.

We see it here in the States all the time, especially in baseball.  Money from television contracts generally goes to the owners, not to providing better players for the enjoyment of the fans who generate all the income.  The bigger teams have more to spend so they perpetuate dominance, but the smaller teams, like in English football, have no chance.  Teams are playthings for the owners.

However, in United&#039;s case, the team is more than a plaything, it&#039;s a cash cow.  Repugnant, repulsive, you pick the adjective.  I&#039;m embarrassed for my nation when it comes to the Glazers.  Or Hicks and Gillette, for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what is wrong with American ownership.  The money doesn&#8217;t go to support the team or to put a better product out for the fans, it goes to line the owners&#8217; pockets.</p>
<p>We see it here in the States all the time, especially in baseball.  Money from television contracts generally goes to the owners, not to providing better players for the enjoyment of the fans who generate all the income.  The bigger teams have more to spend so they perpetuate dominance, but the smaller teams, like in English football, have no chance.  Teams are playthings for the owners.</p>
<p>However, in United&#8217;s case, the team is more than a plaything, it&#8217;s a cash cow.  Repugnant, repulsive, you pick the adjective.  I&#8217;m embarrassed for my nation when it comes to the Glazers.  Or Hicks and Gillette, for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: WB05 Flanagan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arsenal are 17 shares from being in the same boat as United, if not worse. Liverpool have less debt than us, but I would say they are worse off. Anyway...

A. Ruiz: Berbatov is on the bench because of niggling injuries. If you call scoring 20 goals and garnering 10 assists in all competitions -- 9 assists in EPL, which placed him 2nd behind Van Persie -- a waste of money, clearly you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about. In 18 appearances (5 of those as a sub) this season, he has 7 in goals and 2 assists -- while playing most of this year with a knee injury. Not world beating form, no, but what can you ask? If you actually, truly watched United, you&#039;d understand how his hold-up and link-up play, barring one or two performances, is so often essential to our success.  

As far as Anderson being a waste of money, well, we spent 17million for an 18 year-old. He&#039;s 21/22 now, and that makes him the same age Fletcher was when everyone spent the better part of 3-4 years groaning about how he would never make the first team, that he wasn&#039;t cut out for United, etc. Now he&#039;s one of the 1st names on the team sheet. The center midfields of the EPL are a difficult and very public forum within which to hone your skills. I don&#039;t do anything that I&#039;m struggling to improve at in front of even a few hundred people, much less a few million. How about you?

Nani, well, a gamble on youth is just that, a gamble. As opposed to many other managers, Ferguson is right way more often than his wrong. 

What I call a true waste of money is spending nearly 30 million on a nearly 30 year-old Shevchenko, Ballack, etc. Or, let&#039;s say, breaking the British transfer record by securing Robinho for 32.5 million (or any number of other players who were simply too self absorbed or loud mouthed or even violent -- tevez and bellamy and adebayor anyone? -- to survive for any lengths of time at other clubs) --- just because you can. Or, let&#039;s say, buying any of the following players simply because you can: Lescott, Toure, Bridge, Sylvinho, etc and so on. None of these players, no matter what they say, give two shits about the club or the fans they play for -- just like Tevez never gave a shit about United fans. Blah, blah, blah...it&#039;s all too distracting from the real event -- the actual playing of the sport -- to be sustainably interesting.

I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s worse in the long-run: losing your club to money-hungry idiots who owe their asses to legitimatized loan sharks or losing your club to dictatorial billionaires who seek to divorce your club from it&#039;s working class history simply so he/they can begin their own personal, real-life game of Championship Manager. 

That in mind, we have yet to see what will happen to any of the English billionaire clubs when their honey pots dry up and head back to Russia or the Middle East or wherever -- will they sustain their brands or...who knows? Those fans, all of them, are laboring under the same psychological exercise in non-agency as we United fans are -- hope it all doesn&#039;t dry up and blow away....

What all of this partly exposes is just how sincerely during the Ferguson era is just how the collective ABU subculture has been waiting impatiently for an actual concrete sign of United finally and ultimately failing, and in this Glazer bullshit it exists.

It&#039;s sad, really, as I would argue, yes as a United fan, that the Edwards family&#039;s drive to keep United at the forefront of everything commercially propellant within the footballing world throughout the late 80s and early 90s is integral to the EPLs worldwide growth. Martin Edwards, as did those like him, worked and pushed, both at and from, the very epicenter of the initial efforts to establish the Premier League -- a moment of real watershed and controversy in the history of English football, no doubt. In many ways the evolution of the Premier league helped drag English football out from its place of post-Heysel ostracization, and let&#039;s be honest, from around 1996/97-2003 Man United helped bring the EPL brand to America more than any other English club. The club&#039;s continuous appearances on the European stage throughout the 90s brought them into a scant, while ever increasing (still), number of American homes. They were the 1st English club to invest real time and money in our market. What would become the English cliche of &quot;all yanks support United&quot; is no longer true because of United&#039;s success as a brand -- i.e., for me, the general rise of American interest in American soccer since the 1999 Women&#039;s World Cup is completely attached to our massive (and rather unlikely) interest in the big European leagues. In fact, perhaps, if one were to graph it, when we factor in the myriad avenues of match viewing access now available, I would argue that as a country these two interests, both foreign and domestic, are on a long-term rise, and that our ever-rising interest in foreign football is happening on a slightly steeper trajectory than our interest in actual American soccer, both MLS and NATs teams included. Compare ESPNs rating numbers for EPL games versus those of MLS (finals) and NATs matchs -- the difference is staggering. I don&#039;t believe only British and Irish ex-pats and other immigrants represent even 90 % of this difference.

United, for its own part, is inextricably linked to both of these rises -- and I don&#039;t mean this in an arrogant way, either. It&#039;s just, if Chelsea has only been on your radar for 3-4 years and you&#039;re ecstatic about the possibility of United completely going under, I would simply say that you remind me -- YES, in a much less severe and important manner -- of the type of American who stood around after 9/11 wondering how any of it ended up at your doorstep, but then not really caring about it when someone tries to explain from the Balfour Decision on to &quot;today&quot; how and why these things have transpired. People don&#039;t care &quot;how&quot; such events occur. We just want our perceived enemies to be smashed and crushed. Ultimately, such a line of thinking allows us to enter into a sense of accomplished thought -- &quot;I, and everything that makes me be me, am superior to all that I always knew I was superior to. And now, and more importantly, all the world will see it.&quot;

There is always the possibility of United eventually fading into administration, points deductions, and so on, but I would venture to guess that a &quot;bailout&quot; will eventually arise from nowhere, or perhaps Russia or the Middle East. After all, when United were in severe financial trouble around the turn of the last century, it only took a dog to save us then. Perhaps the ghost of Ernest Mangnall will arise to inspire another...we&#039;ll see.

That said, in today&#039;s (marketing) game, and it&#039;s hard to say with any assuredness or proof, as well, how does the &quot;too big to fail&quot; ethos of gluttony apply to football clubs of the sheer size of Manchester United? No offense to Leeds fans, and I mean that, but as a brand they weren&#039;t anywhere close to United when they went under (plus, the comparison between the 2 clubs&#039; financial troubles don&#039;t hold up -- United&#039;s hasn&#039;t resulted from buying more players than the club can afford, after all. The rich owner thing isn&#039;t quite working at QPR -- and in some part that must be because unaffiliated outsiders or onlookers can&#039;t locate a legitimate reason to invest their time (and money) in following the club. When Madrid was in deep debt trouble a few years ago, they simply sold their training ground to the city of Madrid to clear much of their debt. Such solutions aren&#039;t necessarily available to many English clubs, if any.  Debt or millions and billions or civic generated bailouts -- all of this eventually denigrates the playing of the sport itself (think of Gary Cook&#039;s recent brilliant rant of a monologue).

Regardless, it&#039;s clear that Martin Edwards and Sir Alex have directly contributed to the construction of United&#039;s own Frakenstein monsters, The Glazers, a piecemeal work in progress that began all the way back in, say, 1991-1992. But, that&#039;s a big business. Carrington will now (probably) be sold. The name OId Trafford could be next. If and when the Glazers do exit, will they have taken any of the soul left in United with them? That&#039;s the question that should be and has been being asked by MUST/Shareholders United and FC United supporters for going on nearly half-a-decade.

Regardless, on valencia and obretan alone we spent over 20 million pounds this summer -- so I wouldn&#039;t exactly call us a club with no money. That said, if we have to become the kind of club that simply MUST pay 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 million pounds on individual players, whom are either entering their peak or are passing through it, just to be competitive, United&#039;s contemporary ethos of spend big on younger players with vast potential and bring others through will be finally be lost -- and thusly, gone will be the aforementioned soul, the soul of Busby. In Macheda, Wellbeck, King, Eikrem, Diouf, Anderson, the Da Silva twins, Evans, Cleverly, et al, I think we have some excellent talent, some of which will come through, and those of them who do will have done so mostly for nothing. Say what you will about those players, but most of have been deeper into the Carling Cup, including having been on the field when we last won it, than all of Arsenal&#039;s more oft touted youngsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arsenal are 17 shares from being in the same boat as United, if not worse. Liverpool have less debt than us, but I would say they are worse off. Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>A. Ruiz: Berbatov is on the bench because of niggling injuries. If you call scoring 20 goals and garnering 10 assists in all competitions &#8212; 9 assists in EPL, which placed him 2nd behind Van Persie &#8212; a waste of money, clearly you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about. In 18 appearances (5 of those as a sub) this season, he has 7 in goals and 2 assists &#8212; while playing most of this year with a knee injury. Not world beating form, no, but what can you ask? If you actually, truly watched United, you&#8217;d understand how his hold-up and link-up play, barring one or two performances, is so often essential to our success.  </p>
<p>As far as Anderson being a waste of money, well, we spent 17million for an 18 year-old. He&#8217;s 21/22 now, and that makes him the same age Fletcher was when everyone spent the better part of 3-4 years groaning about how he would never make the first team, that he wasn&#8217;t cut out for United, etc. Now he&#8217;s one of the 1st names on the team sheet. The center midfields of the EPL are a difficult and very public forum within which to hone your skills. I don&#8217;t do anything that I&#8217;m struggling to improve at in front of even a few hundred people, much less a few million. How about you?</p>
<p>Nani, well, a gamble on youth is just that, a gamble. As opposed to many other managers, Ferguson is right way more often than his wrong. </p>
<p>What I call a true waste of money is spending nearly 30 million on a nearly 30 year-old Shevchenko, Ballack, etc. Or, let&#8217;s say, breaking the British transfer record by securing Robinho for 32.5 million (or any number of other players who were simply too self absorbed or loud mouthed or even violent &#8212; tevez and bellamy and adebayor anyone? &#8212; to survive for any lengths of time at other clubs) &#8212; just because you can. Or, let&#8217;s say, buying any of the following players simply because you can: Lescott, Toure, Bridge, Sylvinho, etc and so on. None of these players, no matter what they say, give two shits about the club or the fans they play for &#8212; just like Tevez never gave a shit about United fans. Blah, blah, blah&#8230;it&#8217;s all too distracting from the real event &#8212; the actual playing of the sport &#8212; to be sustainably interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s worse in the long-run: losing your club to money-hungry idiots who owe their asses to legitimatized loan sharks or losing your club to dictatorial billionaires who seek to divorce your club from it&#8217;s working class history simply so he/they can begin their own personal, real-life game of Championship Manager. </p>
<p>That in mind, we have yet to see what will happen to any of the English billionaire clubs when their honey pots dry up and head back to Russia or the Middle East or wherever &#8212; will they sustain their brands or&#8230;who knows? Those fans, all of them, are laboring under the same psychological exercise in non-agency as we United fans are &#8212; hope it all doesn&#8217;t dry up and blow away&#8230;.</p>
<p>What all of this partly exposes is just how sincerely during the Ferguson era is just how the collective ABU subculture has been waiting impatiently for an actual concrete sign of United finally and ultimately failing, and in this Glazer bullshit it exists.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad, really, as I would argue, yes as a United fan, that the Edwards family&#8217;s drive to keep United at the forefront of everything commercially propellant within the footballing world throughout the late 80s and early 90s is integral to the EPLs worldwide growth. Martin Edwards, as did those like him, worked and pushed, both at and from, the very epicenter of the initial efforts to establish the Premier League &#8212; a moment of real watershed and controversy in the history of English football, no doubt. In many ways the evolution of the Premier league helped drag English football out from its place of post-Heysel ostracization, and let&#8217;s be honest, from around 1996/97-2003 Man United helped bring the EPL brand to America more than any other English club. The club&#8217;s continuous appearances on the European stage throughout the 90s brought them into a scant, while ever increasing (still), number of American homes. They were the 1st English club to invest real time and money in our market. What would become the English cliche of &#8220;all yanks support United&#8221; is no longer true because of United&#8217;s success as a brand &#8212; i.e., for me, the general rise of American interest in American soccer since the 1999 Women&#8217;s World Cup is completely attached to our massive (and rather unlikely) interest in the big European leagues. In fact, perhaps, if one were to graph it, when we factor in the myriad avenues of match viewing access now available, I would argue that as a country these two interests, both foreign and domestic, are on a long-term rise, and that our ever-rising interest in foreign football is happening on a slightly steeper trajectory than our interest in actual American soccer, both MLS and NATs teams included. Compare ESPNs rating numbers for EPL games versus those of MLS (finals) and NATs matchs &#8212; the difference is staggering. I don&#8217;t believe only British and Irish ex-pats and other immigrants represent even 90 % of this difference.</p>
<p>United, for its own part, is inextricably linked to both of these rises &#8212; and I don&#8217;t mean this in an arrogant way, either. It&#8217;s just, if Chelsea has only been on your radar for 3-4 years and you&#8217;re ecstatic about the possibility of United completely going under, I would simply say that you remind me &#8212; YES, in a much less severe and important manner &#8212; of the type of American who stood around after 9/11 wondering how any of it ended up at your doorstep, but then not really caring about it when someone tries to explain from the Balfour Decision on to &#8220;today&#8221; how and why these things have transpired. People don&#8217;t care &#8220;how&#8221; such events occur. We just want our perceived enemies to be smashed and crushed. Ultimately, such a line of thinking allows us to enter into a sense of accomplished thought &#8212; &#8220;I, and everything that makes me be me, am superior to all that I always knew I was superior to. And now, and more importantly, all the world will see it.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is always the possibility of United eventually fading into administration, points deductions, and so on, but I would venture to guess that a &#8220;bailout&#8221; will eventually arise from nowhere, or perhaps Russia or the Middle East. After all, when United were in severe financial trouble around the turn of the last century, it only took a dog to save us then. Perhaps the ghost of Ernest Mangnall will arise to inspire another&#8230;we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>That said, in today&#8217;s (marketing) game, and it&#8217;s hard to say with any assuredness or proof, as well, how does the &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; ethos of gluttony apply to football clubs of the sheer size of Manchester United? No offense to Leeds fans, and I mean that, but as a brand they weren&#8217;t anywhere close to United when they went under (plus, the comparison between the 2 clubs&#8217; financial troubles don&#8217;t hold up &#8212; United&#8217;s hasn&#8217;t resulted from buying more players than the club can afford, after all. The rich owner thing isn&#8217;t quite working at QPR &#8212; and in some part that must be because unaffiliated outsiders or onlookers can&#8217;t locate a legitimate reason to invest their time (and money) in following the club. When Madrid was in deep debt trouble a few years ago, they simply sold their training ground to the city of Madrid to clear much of their debt. Such solutions aren&#8217;t necessarily available to many English clubs, if any.  Debt or millions and billions or civic generated bailouts &#8212; all of this eventually denigrates the playing of the sport itself (think of Gary Cook&#8217;s recent brilliant rant of a monologue).</p>
<p>Regardless, it&#8217;s clear that Martin Edwards and Sir Alex have directly contributed to the construction of United&#8217;s own Frakenstein monsters, The Glazers, a piecemeal work in progress that began all the way back in, say, 1991-1992. But, that&#8217;s a big business. Carrington will now (probably) be sold. The name OId Trafford could be next. If and when the Glazers do exit, will they have taken any of the soul left in United with them? That&#8217;s the question that should be and has been being asked by MUST/Shareholders United and FC United supporters for going on nearly half-a-decade.</p>
<p>Regardless, on valencia and obretan alone we spent over 20 million pounds this summer &#8212; so I wouldn&#8217;t exactly call us a club with no money. That said, if we have to become the kind of club that simply MUST pay 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 million pounds on individual players, whom are either entering their peak or are passing through it, just to be competitive, United&#8217;s contemporary ethos of spend big on younger players with vast potential and bring others through will be finally be lost &#8212; and thusly, gone will be the aforementioned soul, the soul of Busby. In Macheda, Wellbeck, King, Eikrem, Diouf, Anderson, the Da Silva twins, Evans, Cleverly, et al, I think we have some excellent talent, some of which will come through, and those of them who do will have done so mostly for nothing. Say what you will about those players, but most of have been deeper into the Carling Cup, including having been on the field when we last won it, than all of Arsenal&#8217;s more oft touted youngsters.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Dunmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Dunmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. Ruiz, you&#039;re correct. Arsenal&#039;s debt of almost 300 million pounds was to finance building the Emirates, which is now making the club far more money than Highbury -- a worthwhile risk, financially.  Man Utd&#039;s debt has all pretty much come from servicing the Glazers&#039; takeover; it hasn&#039;t provided a penny of extra income to the club as far as I can tell, and as we can see, is actually going to continue sucking out hundreds of millions from the club for years to come without even reducing that debt.

It was all absolutely unnecessary for United.

On Arsenal&#039;s debt, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6991138.ece rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Times piece&lt;/a&gt;, which lists the following biggest debtors and explains Arsenal&#039;s situation;

&lt;blockquote&gt;THE BIG DEBTORS

£727m Manchester United 
£609m Real Madrid* (Real claim only £296m) 
£436m Barcelona* 
£386m Internazionale* 
£348m AC Milan* 
£297.7m Arsenal 
£240m approx Liverpool 
£147m Juventus* 
£136m Roma* 
£96m Bayern Munich* 
£0 Chelsea, after £340m write-off, announced Dec 2009 
£0 Man City, after £305m debt-to-equity write-off, announced Jan 2010

Arsenal have £297m of debt, but this was acquired mainly for building Emirates stadium, now a cash cow that helps fuel profits. Arsenal’s repayments are easily serviced.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. Ruiz, you&#8217;re correct. Arsenal&#8217;s debt of almost 300 million pounds was to finance building the Emirates, which is now making the club far more money than Highbury &#8212; a worthwhile risk, financially.  Man Utd&#8217;s debt has all pretty much come from servicing the Glazers&#8217; takeover; it hasn&#8217;t provided a penny of extra income to the club as far as I can tell, and as we can see, is actually going to continue sucking out hundreds of millions from the club for years to come without even reducing that debt.</p>
<p>It was all absolutely unnecessary for United.</p>
<p>On Arsenal&#8217;s debt, see <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6991138.ece rel="nofollow">this Times piece</a>, which lists the following biggest debtors and explains Arsenal&#8217;s situation;</p>
<blockquote><p>THE BIG DEBTORS</p>
<p>£727m Manchester United<br />
£609m Real Madrid* (Real claim only £296m)<br />
£436m Barcelona*<br />
£386m Internazionale*<br />
£348m AC Milan*<br />
£297.7m Arsenal<br />
£240m approx Liverpool<br />
£147m Juventus*<br />
£136m Roma*<br />
£96m Bayern Munich*<br />
£0 Chelsea, after £340m write-off, announced Dec 2009<br />
£0 Man City, after £305m debt-to-equity write-off, announced Jan 2010</p>
<p>Arsenal have £297m of debt, but this was acquired mainly for building Emirates stadium, now a cash cow that helps fuel profits. Arsenal’s repayments are easily serviced.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: A. Ruiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Ruiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Arsenal take debt to build a new stadium? From what I understand, united&#039;s debt is from glazer borrowing from the club to buy the team. It&#039;s not really the same.

Although I think it&#039;s finally hurting the team, Ferguson hasn&#039;t made any big signings since Ronaldo left (without that cash, they would be in the red). Although, with all the money he&#039;s wasted on Nani and Anderson and benching of Berbatov.....maybe it&#039;s a blessing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Arsenal take debt to build a new stadium? From what I understand, united&#8217;s debt is from glazer borrowing from the club to buy the team. It&#8217;s not really the same.</p>
<p>Although I think it&#8217;s finally hurting the team, Ferguson hasn&#8217;t made any big signings since Ronaldo left (without that cash, they would be in the red). Although, with all the money he&#8217;s wasted on Nani and Anderson and benching of Berbatov&#8230;..maybe it&#8217;s a blessing?</p>
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		<title>By: Rednow.red4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rednow.red4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Glazers personally borrowing money is troubling.  However, even with this, ManUnited&#039;s debt/value is actually in mid-range.  

According to Forbes&#039; poll back in April, Arsenal have more debt than they are worth.  Plus, it&#039;s common in the States, all NFL teams have a fair amount.  Though, Glazer&#039;s Buccaneers have a debt/value of 13%, much less than the 60% range than United probably now have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Glazers personally borrowing money is troubling.  However, even with this, ManUnited&#8217;s debt/value is actually in mid-range.  </p>
<p>According to Forbes&#8217; poll back in April, Arsenal have more debt than they are worth.  Plus, it&#8217;s common in the States, all NFL teams have a fair amount.  Though, Glazer&#8217;s Buccaneers have a debt/value of 13%, much less than the 60% range than United probably now have.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a more serious note, the Glazers can just about get away with this because the supporters of the club only have two real options:

A.) Continue to support the club they&#039;ve supported all their lives through the purchase of tickets and merchandise, thus making the Glazers richer, or

B.) Move their support to FC United and/or boycott Manchester United all together and thus allowing the club they&#039;ve supported all their lives to crumble under a mountain of debt just like Leeds.

If there&#039;s an option C, I don&#039;t see it, barring some sort of intervention from UEFA or the FA, and there&#039;s no telling how Platini&#039;s actions might affect the club at this stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a more serious note, the Glazers can just about get away with this because the supporters of the club only have two real options:</p>
<p>A.) Continue to support the club they&#8217;ve supported all their lives through the purchase of tickets and merchandise, thus making the Glazers richer, or</p>
<p>B.) Move their support to FC United and/or boycott Manchester United all together and thus allowing the club they&#8217;ve supported all their lives to crumble under a mountain of debt just like Leeds.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s an option C, I don&#8217;t see it, barring some sort of intervention from UEFA or the FA, and there&#8217;s no telling how Platini&#8217;s actions might affect the club at this stage.</p>
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