Comments on: The Sweeper: England’s World Cup Bid Goes Against Its History

By: Tom Dunmore

Tom Dunmore — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:51:33 +0000

Jeff — it’s exactly because of the American example that English fans are up in arms about the concept of franchising gaining ground as a respectable part of the sports business in their country. English fans don’t want businessmen to be able to come in and steal their clubs away, as you say, with just a few people speaking out — making it much easier for it to happen anywhere again.

Part of keeping that from happening is a vocal opposition to the entire concept, based on the history of the sporting teams being tied to local roots.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:05:09 +0000

Listen, I have to say this – the collective English freakout over Wimbledon’s moving to Milton Keynes really amuses this American observer. This kind of thing happens all the time in American sports. Most recently, the NBA’s Seattle Supersonics got – let’s call a spade a spade here – stolen from Seattle and moved to Oklahoma City and the objections to that move are all but nonexistent with the exception of Seattleites themselves and sports columnist Bill Simmons.

And as for “history being erased” or whatever, let me ask you this – how many Arizona Cardinals fans know that their team got there via St. Louis and Chicago?

By: Kevin Hennessy

Kevin Hennessy — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:09:39 +0000

Don’t know about Barney Ronay’s comment being a good one, bit lazy and cliched to tell the truth, the stadium is not on the outskirts of town, it’s closer to the town centre than it is to the town’s boundaries. Furthermore the Dons have played in the 2nd tier of English league football in their early days, and as to the stadium being similar to the IKEA store, well it’s a nonsense, from what I can see, and from what I’ve been told by those who’ve been there, it seems a nice ground.

I’ve never been to the stadium, and have no intention of doing so, hailing as I do from South West London and born in Wimbledon itself my sympathies will always lie with AFCW in that particular spat, but a little objectivity on the part of Mr Ronay would surely have been preferable to the predictable twaddle that his piece contained.

I’m not really bothered one way or the other if MK is chosen to host games should England win the bid and wish the Dons nothing but relegation and ultimate extinction, a sentiment more common than you may imagine in MK itself, but it’s not a bad place to live and not as soulless and bland as some would have you believe, but then I guess you’d actually have to visit the town to know that.

With regard to Bobby’s Livingston comment, it’s always a source of great fun to ask a Dons “supporter” who they used to support, gets ‘em every time.

By: ursus arctos

ursus arctos — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:09:15 +0000

I also thought of Bari once I saw the plans for New Home Park.

One difference is that Argyle aren’t owned by (and the Premier League is not chaired by) members of the family that owned the construction firm that built the San Nicola.

It’s also worth keeping in mind that the San Nicola has never in its history sold out (whether for the World Cup, Bari, Juventus matches in exile (one of the biggest draws), the Azzurri, or any non-football event).

By: Bobby

Bobby — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:17:09 +0000

It reminds me a bit of Bari and the massive stadium the city built for Italia ’90. That’s not a slight at Plymouth, but I don’t think it attracts enough supporters on a regular basis to justify a massive ground.

I once saw an interview with a Livingston fan who said, “Yea, I used to support Hearts”. Chances are, he’s not at Almondvale these days. MK needs to keep that in mind, because they have plenty of “supporters” that “used to support” Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool or Tottenham.

By: Tom Dunmore

Tom Dunmore — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:31 +0000

Bobby — agreed on Leicester. As for the south coast, that’s an interesting point, though one has to admit it’s not exactly a hotbed of the sport. Brighton’s stadium would have needed almost as much expansion as Home Park, and given the financial investment that’s already been made just to get the damn thing (almost) built, I’m kind of glad they’re not throwing away millions more for a one-off event.

Indeed, the bigger question might just be how worthwhile it would be for these smaller clubs to spend so much (the bid itself costs a quarter of a million to be a part of) on a bid. As mentioned yesterday, Plymouth’s plans for Home Park include a number of new events that may drive the groundsman mad.

By: Bobby

Bobby — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:18:45 +0000

I really hope they don’t pick MK, honestly I hope it’s just there to fill room. Leicester may not be glamorous — not to say Milton Keynes is — but it’s far more deserving in a purely football sense.

What surprised me, and I know you have roots in that area, was the lack of a stadium on the south coast — unless you count Home Park, but that’s pretty far-flung from Brighton, Portsmouth, and Southampton — I thought Brighton’s new stadium would at least get a look, or at the very least, an expanded St. Mary’s.