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		<title>By: giaco</title>
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		<dc:creator>giaco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read through the article, then re-read it, just to be sure, and I&#039;m not so sure that it&#039;s quite as disparaging as you seem to feel it is.  The original article seems to indicate that SUM and MLS clubs have a quandry (or two) on their hands--how to effectively market a domestic league in a country where your best prospects/national team players get &#039;promoted&#039; via transfer to clubs outside of the country, and that a (potentially) large segment of &#039;fans&#039; and/or potential fans would have a hard time grasping why on earth such a thing could happen.  

I hate cross-sporting analogies, and I&#039;ll probably muck it up, but it seems a bit similar the situations in basketball or hockey, where there are leagues in many countries, but many (if not all) of the best talents from other countries consistently want to come here to ply their trade--whereas we have a similar situation in soccer.  Many American players are not on par with the foreign leagues (for various reasons), but the best of the best can still play abroad.  I&#039;m certain there are English fans that are interested in the happenings (in general) of Beckham, and there are many Spaniards interested in Pau Gasol.  How do those clubs/leagues market to their target populations to increase their profiles?  It seems much the same quandry.

I also feel that there isn&#039;t really a dig, per se, at MLS fans, it seems that what the author is trying to reconcile is the difference, or gap, between the potential fans understanding of the sport, the finer nuances of the deals involved, and how that should increase one&#039;s interest in the domestic product rather than decrease it.  Even if said fan didn&#039;t choose an MLS side, just conciousness raising (of the league and national side) and minimizing a perceived negative view of the league (based on player departure), in general, are almost the win-win outcome they hope to acheive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through the article, then re-read it, just to be sure, and I&#8217;m not so sure that it&#8217;s quite as disparaging as you seem to feel it is.  The original article seems to indicate that SUM and MLS clubs have a quandry (or two) on their hands&#8211;how to effectively market a domestic league in a country where your best prospects/national team players get &#8216;promoted&#8217; via transfer to clubs outside of the country, and that a (potentially) large segment of &#8216;fans&#8217; and/or potential fans would have a hard time grasping why on earth such a thing could happen.  </p>
<p>I hate cross-sporting analogies, and I&#8217;ll probably muck it up, but it seems a bit similar the situations in basketball or hockey, where there are leagues in many countries, but many (if not all) of the best talents from other countries consistently want to come here to ply their trade&#8211;whereas we have a similar situation in soccer.  Many American players are not on par with the foreign leagues (for various reasons), but the best of the best can still play abroad.  I&#8217;m certain there are English fans that are interested in the happenings (in general) of Beckham, and there are many Spaniards interested in Pau Gasol.  How do those clubs/leagues market to their target populations to increase their profiles?  It seems much the same quandry.</p>
<p>I also feel that there isn&#8217;t really a dig, per se, at MLS fans, it seems that what the author is trying to reconcile is the difference, or gap, between the potential fans understanding of the sport, the finer nuances of the deals involved, and how that should increase one&#8217;s interest in the domestic product rather than decrease it.  Even if said fan didn&#8217;t choose an MLS side, just conciousness raising (of the league and national side) and minimizing a perceived negative view of the league (based on player departure), in general, are almost the win-win outcome they hope to acheive.</p>
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		<title>By: Iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats funny about that article is that the MLS fans that are being discussed are the ones that will never even read it and the ones who do read it are the ones who legitimately claim to be insulted. 

I would consider myself soccer educated, i&#039;m familiar and understand with what goes on in the MLS, other leagues and internationally. One thing that use to frustrate me like crazy was all the people i would meet that claimed to like soccer, but outside the rules of the game, the world cup and maybe a couple club teams didn&#039;t know anything else about it. 

i think previous posters touched on it well. we are the ones who make it a ritual to constantly update ourselves about the soccer world. We do this by immersing ourselves with articles, blogs, review and analysis shows, bigsoccer etc. however, the number of us that actually do these things compared to all those who &#039;like&#039; soccer, is probably very miniscule. 

i think that article was trying to reflect those MLS fans who follow their team and only their team for the entire season and don&#039;t have a clue as to whats going on elsewhere in the soccer world. good luck trying to explain these people how MLS doesn&#039;t adjust to to the FIFA International calendar and why stars like beckham and donovan are missing during important league games due to international duty. 

I mean think about it, when you watch a sounders game and see the 30,000 sea of green its impressive right? like damn that many ppl like soccer... but do u actually think all 30,000 or even most of them will be able to tell you how howard, dempsey, altidore, bradley etc. did abroad that weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats funny about that article is that the MLS fans that are being discussed are the ones that will never even read it and the ones who do read it are the ones who legitimately claim to be insulted. </p>
<p>I would consider myself soccer educated, i&#8217;m familiar and understand with what goes on in the MLS, other leagues and internationally. One thing that use to frustrate me like crazy was all the people i would meet that claimed to like soccer, but outside the rules of the game, the world cup and maybe a couple club teams didn&#8217;t know anything else about it. </p>
<p>i think previous posters touched on it well. we are the ones who make it a ritual to constantly update ourselves about the soccer world. We do this by immersing ourselves with articles, blogs, review and analysis shows, bigsoccer etc. however, the number of us that actually do these things compared to all those who &#8216;like&#8217; soccer, is probably very miniscule. </p>
<p>i think that article was trying to reflect those MLS fans who follow their team and only their team for the entire season and don&#8217;t have a clue as to whats going on elsewhere in the soccer world. good luck trying to explain these people how MLS doesn&#8217;t adjust to to the FIFA International calendar and why stars like beckham and donovan are missing during important league games due to international duty. </p>
<p>I mean think about it, when you watch a sounders game and see the 30,000 sea of green its impressive right? like damn that many ppl like soccer&#8230; but do u actually think all 30,000 or even most of them will be able to tell you how howard, dempsey, altidore, bradley etc. did abroad that weekend?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Eisenmenger &amp; Courtemanche were trying to say is MLS/Teams can&#039;t market their players to any non fan/potential fan because they might head to Europe soon after, leaving the newbie who is unaware soccer is played elsewhere wondering what happened to the player they bought a ticket to see.

This is the reason getting a big time DP is important. Recognition and winning through exciting attacking play will increase the fan base.
America is full of bandwagon fans. The point is every time they hop off, some stick around. Build build build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Eisenmenger &amp; Courtemanche were trying to say is MLS/Teams can&#8217;t market their players to any non fan/potential fan because they might head to Europe soon after, leaving the newbie who is unaware soccer is played elsewhere wondering what happened to the player they bought a ticket to see.</p>
<p>This is the reason getting a big time DP is important. Recognition and winning through exciting attacking play will increase the fan base.<br />
America is full of bandwagon fans. The point is every time they hop off, some stick around. Build build build.</p>
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		<title>By: joejoejoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joejoejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The status of La Liga has been raised because of the inflow of players like C. Ronaldo and Kaka. EPL and Serie A fans aren&#039;t rubes because they think their leagues aren&#039;t as good this year without the very best players. It IS a knock on the MLS that players leave because of the low salary cap. Fans correctly assume that the quality of play is better in the leagues that attract the best players. I don&#039;t care about MLS marketing woes related to their low-salary cap. The Eisenmenger piece isn&#039;t so much a dig at MLS fans, it&#039;s a dig against the byzantine MLS salary structure. If MLS were more honest about it&#039;s place in the world (a middling league in terms of quality of play) and run less like a cartel (&quot;the only aspect of MLS where our clubs compete is on the field&quot;)  they wouldn&#039;t have the problem of marketing hamburger as steak to fans. If Jonathan Bornstein has a good World Cup and gets sold to Fulham it will be because the MLS values whatever pile of money they get in return more than they value Jonathan Bornstein. The MLS keeps 2/3rd of the money from the sale, Chivas USA can&#039;t sign an equivalent player because of their small return and the salary cap rules. Chivas USA might have a hard time explaining it to their fans but that&#039;s because it&#039;s complicated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The status of La Liga has been raised because of the inflow of players like C. Ronaldo and Kaka. EPL and Serie A fans aren&#8217;t rubes because they think their leagues aren&#8217;t as good this year without the very best players. It IS a knock on the MLS that players leave because of the low salary cap. Fans correctly assume that the quality of play is better in the leagues that attract the best players. I don&#8217;t care about MLS marketing woes related to their low-salary cap. The Eisenmenger piece isn&#8217;t so much a dig at MLS fans, it&#8217;s a dig against the byzantine MLS salary structure. If MLS were more honest about it&#8217;s place in the world (a middling league in terms of quality of play) and run less like a cartel (&#8220;the only aspect of MLS where our clubs compete is on the field&#8221;)  they wouldn&#8217;t have the problem of marketing hamburger as steak to fans. If Jonathan Bornstein has a good World Cup and gets sold to Fulham it will be because the MLS values whatever pile of money they get in return more than they value Jonathan Bornstein. The MLS keeps 2/3rd of the money from the sale, Chivas USA can&#8217;t sign an equivalent player because of their small return and the salary cap rules. Chivas USA might have a hard time explaining it to their fans but that&#8217;s because it&#8217;s complicated!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of you guys let the people you know in real life color your opinion about MLS fans in general.  Yeah... me and my friends know about soccer.  We follow the international game and understand the buy/sell nature of it.  Most MLS fans are not like this.  The stands are filled with soccer moms and NASCAR dads who are bringing little Timmy to the game for a good time.  They get attached to the big personalities and the superstars because they don&#039;t quite grasp the game enough to appreciate each player individually.  They do see the sale of players to a foreign club as a failure, or at least I imagine they do.  I think MLS&#039;s salary cap and transfer limits really creates this problem though.  People are used to loving some player in the NFL, for example, Terrell Owens, and even though he may get traded from your favorite team, you can keep that soft spot you had for him and cheer for him when he plays against your team.  If Landon Donovan gets sold to Europe, these casual fans arent going to know anything about the ENglish game and it might as well be like Landon Donovan fell off of the earth.  Just because players get loaned and transferred all the time does not mean people know what it means.  I have had a handful of people (soccer fans) ask me what it means that Beckham gets loaned to Milan and why would he do that.  Americans see America and America only.  They would rather have their favorite players with a lower quality of play rather than seeing their favorite players sold to increase the skill level of all players.

I feel like that didn&#039;t make as much as sense as it did in my head, but whatever.. you guys gotta remember that people reading soccer blogs on the Internet are probably 1% of the actual soccer watching population (or something extreme like that).  Most people watch Sportscenter (where they DONT talk about soccer), read the newspaper (where they DON&#039;T talk about soccer), and attend a match once in awhile because it is a fun thing to do.  Season ticket holders, supporters groups, foreign football fans with a soft spot for the domestic game... we are the very small minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of you guys let the people you know in real life color your opinion about MLS fans in general.  Yeah&#8230; me and my friends know about soccer.  We follow the international game and understand the buy/sell nature of it.  Most MLS fans are not like this.  The stands are filled with soccer moms and NASCAR dads who are bringing little Timmy to the game for a good time.  They get attached to the big personalities and the superstars because they don&#8217;t quite grasp the game enough to appreciate each player individually.  They do see the sale of players to a foreign club as a failure, or at least I imagine they do.  I think MLS&#8217;s salary cap and transfer limits really creates this problem though.  People are used to loving some player in the NFL, for example, Terrell Owens, and even though he may get traded from your favorite team, you can keep that soft spot you had for him and cheer for him when he plays against your team.  If Landon Donovan gets sold to Europe, these casual fans arent going to know anything about the ENglish game and it might as well be like Landon Donovan fell off of the earth.  Just because players get loaned and transferred all the time does not mean people know what it means.  I have had a handful of people (soccer fans) ask me what it means that Beckham gets loaned to Milan and why would he do that.  Americans see America and America only.  They would rather have their favorite players with a lower quality of play rather than seeing their favorite players sold to increase the skill level of all players.</p>
<p>I feel like that didn&#8217;t make as much as sense as it did in my head, but whatever.. you guys gotta remember that people reading soccer blogs on the Internet are probably 1% of the actual soccer watching population (or something extreme like that).  Most people watch Sportscenter (where they DONT talk about soccer), read the newspaper (where they DON&#8217;T talk about soccer), and attend a match once in awhile because it is a fun thing to do.  Season ticket holders, supporters groups, foreign football fans with a soft spot for the domestic game&#8230; we are the very small minority.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Ruiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Ruiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the sort of fan the article talks about is getting rarer and rarer, when the players such as Beckham and Donovan are getting loaned, bought, signed and re-signed like pork bellies futures and it&#039;s covered by the mainstream media. 

Although...theres is that old saying, &quot;no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the sort of fan the article talks about is getting rarer and rarer, when the players such as Beckham and Donovan are getting loaned, bought, signed and re-signed like pork bellies futures and it&#8217;s covered by the mainstream media. </p>
<p>Although&#8230;theres is that old saying, &#8220;no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.  My comment above about a &#039;small&#039; percentage was not the desired one. Better said, you have the percentage that know loads about the game, and the ones who do not.  I actually think for true MLS fans, a majority understand, but those are not the ones that true quality marketing has to capture and enthrall because they are already invested in the club and what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  My comment above about a &#8216;small&#8217; percentage was not the desired one. Better said, you have the percentage that know loads about the game, and the ones who do not.  I actually think for true MLS fans, a majority understand, but those are not the ones that true quality marketing has to capture and enthrall because they are already invested in the club and what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article isn&#039;t insulting to MLS fans though, because it is the truth.

You have a very small percentage of each MLS club&#039;s fans that completely understand what happens in the game, on a national level, and also on an international level (i.e other leagues abroad).  

But you also have a very large gap between those fans and casual fans who follow their local MLS team, but truly do not have a grasp on why things happen outside of the US.  

The soccer fan that reads blogs on the internet, they know what&#039;s up. Why? Because they read blogs on the internet. They know the latest stories, they know the latest scoops, the who, where, why, how.

But there are a lot of people who still don&#039;t read blogs on the internet.  With that group the mystery about transfer fees and player rights is just a blur because it is not explained well enough in their mainstream media.  

I work in soccer for a living. I talk to loads of people who understand the game completely, but there are also loads who say they &#039;love&#039; soccer, and they truly do, but they don&#039;t know the first thing about the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article isn&#8217;t insulting to MLS fans though, because it is the truth.</p>
<p>You have a very small percentage of each MLS club&#8217;s fans that completely understand what happens in the game, on a national level, and also on an international level (i.e other leagues abroad).  </p>
<p>But you also have a very large gap between those fans and casual fans who follow their local MLS team, but truly do not have a grasp on why things happen outside of the US.  </p>
<p>The soccer fan that reads blogs on the internet, they know what&#8217;s up. Why? Because they read blogs on the internet. They know the latest stories, they know the latest scoops, the who, where, why, how.</p>
<p>But there are a lot of people who still don&#8217;t read blogs on the internet.  With that group the mystery about transfer fees and player rights is just a blur because it is not explained well enough in their mainstream media.  </p>
<p>I work in soccer for a living. I talk to loads of people who understand the game completely, but there are also loads who say they &#8216;love&#8217; soccer, and they truly do, but they don&#8217;t know the first thing about the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Chords</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Chords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope MLS fans are not insulted by this article.</description>
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		<title>By: novi mobiteli</title>
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		<dc:creator>novi mobiteli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are fans because their hearts, and executives in the clubs are only working there for salary. Rich club don`t mean anything to fans, only the one who wins. This is a case of eternal fight between heart and mind. It is same all over the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are fans because their hearts, and executives in the clubs are only working there for salary. Rich club don`t mean anything to fans, only the one who wins. This is a case of eternal fight between heart and mind. It is same all over the world.</p>
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