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	<title>Comments on: Birthdays and Caps: The Maturation Problem in Youth Development</title>
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		<title>By: isi_777</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s certainly food for thought...

Another interesting point - although not directly related - is how certain players have suffered generationally, having come through at a time when another player is already established in a particular position. Although I agree that, more often than not, if a player is good enough then he will break through. But, equally, I&#039;m sure there are also many players who have simply not made it - or, at least, have not been as successful as they could have been - due to the existence and over-establishment of others. 

I wonder how many left-midfielders failed behind Ryan Giggs, for example. I&#039;m sure someone like Jermaine Defoe would have played more for England had it not been for Wayne Rooney; and I&#039;m sure the same could be said for someone like Michael Carrick, who has emerged at a time when Frank Lampard&#039;s place in the England side is very much secure. On the flip side, there are also a number of players who have played above their talent due, in part, to a lack of strong competition. The eternal problem of England&#039;s left midfield might be a good example of this.

Of course there are always a number of other factors that will always determine the success (or lack of success) of a given player - notably that of dedication and hard work, good career choices, lack of injuries etc. - but it was just something I was thinking about. Enjoyed the article and enjoy the website so keep up the good work at Pitchinvasion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly food for thought&#8230;</p>
<p>Another interesting point &#8211; although not directly related &#8211; is how certain players have suffered generationally, having come through at a time when another player is already established in a particular position. Although I agree that, more often than not, if a player is good enough then he will break through. But, equally, I&#8217;m sure there are also many players who have simply not made it &#8211; or, at least, have not been as successful as they could have been &#8211; due to the existence and over-establishment of others. </p>
<p>I wonder how many left-midfielders failed behind Ryan Giggs, for example. I&#8217;m sure someone like Jermaine Defoe would have played more for England had it not been for Wayne Rooney; and I&#8217;m sure the same could be said for someone like Michael Carrick, who has emerged at a time when Frank Lampard&#8217;s place in the England side is very much secure. On the flip side, there are also a number of players who have played above their talent due, in part, to a lack of strong competition. The eternal problem of England&#8217;s left midfield might be a good example of this.</p>
<p>Of course there are always a number of other factors that will always determine the success (or lack of success) of a given player &#8211; notably that of dedication and hard work, good career choices, lack of injuries etc. &#8211; but it was just something I was thinking about. Enjoyed the article and enjoy the website so keep up the good work at Pitchinvasion!</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Andrew. I wrote a similar one earlier this year regarding how Manchester United are outliers, which you can read at http://www.epltalk.com/how-manchester-united-are-outliers/4151

Cheers,
The Gaffer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Andrew. I wrote a similar one earlier this year regarding how Manchester United are outliers, which you can read at <a href="http://www.epltalk.com/how-manchester-united-are-outliers/4151" rel="nofollow">http://www.epltalk.com/how-manchester-united-are-outliers/4151</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
The Gaffer</p>
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		<title>By: David Flanagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this is why the US Youth Soccer Boys Olympic Development Program has elected to divide the players into younger and older teams for the first two years of training. As the players move into their third year in the program they are joined as one team. Same reason US Youth Soccer holds Interregional events at each age group, this provides opportunities to allow players to move up if practical. These events then give players at the earliest age groups to play at a more acccurate age level and to provide the higher skilled player the chance to play with and against older players. Not perfect as this should continue through U-20 but players are offered so many chances to play at various club levels of competition they seldom are concerned with what is best for them. Perhaps I should substitute &quot;parents&quot; for players in the last sentance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this is why the US Youth Soccer Boys Olympic Development Program has elected to divide the players into younger and older teams for the first two years of training. As the players move into their third year in the program they are joined as one team. Same reason US Youth Soccer holds Interregional events at each age group, this provides opportunities to allow players to move up if practical. These events then give players at the earliest age groups to play at a more acccurate age level and to provide the higher skilled player the chance to play with and against older players. Not perfect as this should continue through U-20 but players are offered so many chances to play at various club levels of competition they seldom are concerned with what is best for them. Perhaps I should substitute &#8220;parents&#8221; for players in the last sentance!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Montz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Montz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great read Andrew!  My name is Jared Montz and I have one of those terrible December birthdays that ruined my ODP chances... December 26th.  Not to mention I matured at a late age.  Even though my ODP tryouts went well I was told I was too small and couldn&#039;t play with the big boys.  

Whey you say, &quot;the best players at 17 are rarely the best players at 25&quot; I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  When I was a pro I saw so many players that were studs at the youth level do terrible at the pro level.  Mostly because they didn&#039;t know how to fight for their right to play and improve like the Jay DeMirt&#039;s and December birthday&#039;s of the world!

I think sometimes coaches need to realize you can&#039;t take a big athletic player who is just okay and turn them into a player and ignore the small player who is really good but just not mature enough yet.  A great example of this is Sir Alex Ferguson when he talks about David Beckham when he was just starting at Manchester United.  The players in his age class Giggs, Scholes, and Butt where all breaking into the 1st team but David was sent out on loan to a small League 3 team I believe.  Sir Alex told David your body had just not matured yet and we fully believe in you as a player.  This will be a good thing for you he said and you will come back stronger and more mature.  Now look at him.  

It is sad to think that some coaches would have just told Beck&#039;s he was to small and he couldn&#039;t play for their team.  

You make a great point in this story and I hope it helps people think about youth development a little more deeply.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read Andrew!  My name is Jared Montz and I have one of those terrible December birthdays that ruined my ODP chances&#8230; December 26th.  Not to mention I matured at a late age.  Even though my ODP tryouts went well I was told I was too small and couldn&#8217;t play with the big boys.  </p>
<p>Whey you say, &#8220;the best players at 17 are rarely the best players at 25&#8243; I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  When I was a pro I saw so many players that were studs at the youth level do terrible at the pro level.  Mostly because they didn&#8217;t know how to fight for their right to play and improve like the Jay DeMirt&#8217;s and December birthday&#8217;s of the world!</p>
<p>I think sometimes coaches need to realize you can&#8217;t take a big athletic player who is just okay and turn them into a player and ignore the small player who is really good but just not mature enough yet.  A great example of this is Sir Alex Ferguson when he talks about David Beckham when he was just starting at Manchester United.  The players in his age class Giggs, Scholes, and Butt where all breaking into the 1st team but David was sent out on loan to a small League 3 team I believe.  Sir Alex told David your body had just not matured yet and we fully believe in you as a player.  This will be a good thing for you he said and you will come back stronger and more mature.  Now look at him.  </p>
<p>It is sad to think that some coaches would have just told Beck&#8217;s he was to small and he couldn&#8217;t play for their team.  </p>
<p>You make a great point in this story and I hope it helps people think about youth development a little more deeply.  Thanks!</p>
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