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	<title>Comments on: From Leigh RMI to Leigh Genesis</title>
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		<title>By: Ste</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/06/20/from-leigh-rmi-to-leigh-genesis/#comment-6091</link>
		<dc:creator>Ste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Mr Speakman still known as "visionary"!? Hahaha.</description>
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		<title>By: Schlauchboot</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/06/20/from-leigh-rmi-to-leigh-genesis/#comment-6089</link>
		<dc:creator>Schlauchboot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, very interesting post.

My written English is not so good so I write in German:

"Lieber den Spatz in der Hand, als die Taube auf dem Dach."
	
Yours sincerely
Schlauchboot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, very interesting post.</p>
<p>My written English is not so good so I write in German:</p>
<p>&#8220;Lieber den Spatz in der Hand, als die Taube auf dem Dach.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yours sincerely<br />
Schlauchboot</p>
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		<title>By: Ospreys Shop</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/06/20/from-leigh-rmi-to-leigh-genesis/#comment-5992</link>
		<dc:creator>Ospreys Shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visionary, ha. Ive never met a footbal chairman with a vision thats been realised..</description>
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		<title>By: Pitch Invasion &#187; Lead Story &#187; The Anorak World of the Unibond Northern Premier League</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/06/20/from-leigh-rmi-to-leigh-genesis/#comment-5690</link>
		<dc:creator>Pitch Invasion &#187; Lead Story &#187; The Anorak World of the Unibond Northern Premier League</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] teams having the potential to win the title. According to the bookies, the joint favourites are our old friends Leigh Genesis, now a full-time, professional club, and Bradford Park [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"but the fact that Leigh is the largest town in Britain without a train station is a little ironic dont you"

Dudley is in fact the largest town in Britain without a train station - it has two that bear it's name, but these are both in neighbouring Sandwell.

I'm not a train geek by the way, I just live near Dudley. Just wanted to point that out.

"Everyone i spoke to in the past regarding watching Leigh quoted they wouldnt watch ‘RMI’ as they were not a Leigh team."

But 'Genesis' are still 'RMI' . It's going to fool nobody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but the fact that Leigh is the largest town in Britain without a train station is a little ironic dont you&#8221;</p>
<p>Dudley is in fact the largest town in Britain without a train station - it has two that bear it&#8217;s name, but these are both in neighbouring Sandwell.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a train geek by the way, I just live near Dudley. Just wanted to point that out.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone i spoke to in the past regarding watching Leigh quoted they wouldnt watch ‘RMI’ as they were not a Leigh team.&#8221;</p>
<p>But &#8216;Genesis&#8217; are still &#8216;RMI&#8217; . It&#8217;s going to fool nobody.</p>
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		<title>By: Ste, Horwich</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/06/20/from-leigh-rmi-to-leigh-genesis/#comment-5668</link>
		<dc:creator>Ste, Horwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I personally couldnt give a flying fuck about Horwich RMI."

SAYS IT ALL!  Your (sic) own club's history and you dont care about it.  That's fine, but they should stop claiming 1896 and start claiming 1995 or 2008.

As for venting angers, I do...with the likes of Chris Healey and the other majority shareholders of Grundy Hill Estates who voted to sell up and buy Hilton Park.  The council also who allowed the move on the condition the name was retained and a link to the town...as soon as it was granted and the bulldozers had moved into Grundy Hill, the name, colours, badge were all changed a la MK Dons, only the RMI retained (slap in the face) with no connections made to the local area from which the club came.  If Leigh was to be incorporated surely Horwich &#38; Leigh in the name would have been best and mitigated it and drawn support from 2 towns, but the total change shows it was a new club, the only thing the same apart from the owners being the County FA registration number.  New team, new colours, new name, new badge, new town...

Dont get me wrong I'm glad the RMI has been dropped, it should have been done sooner, and I'm sure the "Dons" tag windes up Wimbledon fans who go to AFC, there's only 1 Dons and there's only 1 RMI!  It proves all along that our suspicions in Horwich about the move were correct, it was all about a property deal hence why no effort was ever made to maintain the link with the old area...in fact every effort was made to cut it so they could blend into Leigh.  The ironic thing is, here it is seen as a Leigh club, whereas you lot see it as a Horwich club...YCNMIU.

Anyway the point I was making is they should have started from the bottom or given support to Leigh Athletic and then they could have applied to join the NWCFL and work their way up, just as AFCL, FCUM and AFCW are doing.  You cant claim there was no football in the town when there was Lancashire Amateur League being played (1 tier below the North West Counties).  It's no different from the Milton Keynes situation, even they had MK City on their door in the Southern League, the only difference between Leigh/Horwich and MK/Wimbledon is one team was well known and the other was a little non league club that nobody cares about.  If you legitimise Leigh, you legitimise MK Dons and if you do that 150years of British footballing history is turned upside down if you allow franchise football.

The sooner Leigh die the better, then maybe they can start properly from the bottom of the pyramid like any normal and legitimate club...until that day I will continue to hate both the club and what it stands for...epitomised by "BRAND GENESIS!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I personally couldnt give a flying fuck about Horwich RMI.&#8221;</p>
<p>SAYS IT ALL!  Your (sic) own club&#8217;s history and you dont care about it.  That&#8217;s fine, but they should stop claiming 1896 and start claiming 1995 or 2008.</p>
<p>As for venting angers, I do&#8230;with the likes of Chris Healey and the other majority shareholders of Grundy Hill Estates who voted to sell up and buy Hilton Park.  The council also who allowed the move on the condition the name was retained and a link to the town&#8230;as soon as it was granted and the bulldozers had moved into Grundy Hill, the name, colours, badge were all changed a la MK Dons, only the RMI retained (slap in the face) with no connections made to the local area from which the club came.  If Leigh was to be incorporated surely Horwich &amp; Leigh in the name would have been best and mitigated it and drawn support from 2 towns, but the total change shows it was a new club, the only thing the same apart from the owners being the County FA registration number.  New team, new colours, new name, new badge, new town&#8230;</p>
<p>Dont get me wrong I&#8217;m glad the RMI has been dropped, it should have been done sooner, and I&#8217;m sure the &#8220;Dons&#8221; tag windes up Wimbledon fans who go to AFC, there&#8217;s only 1 Dons and there&#8217;s only 1 RMI!  It proves all along that our suspicions in Horwich about the move were correct, it was all about a property deal hence why no effort was ever made to maintain the link with the old area&#8230;in fact every effort was made to cut it so they could blend into Leigh.  The ironic thing is, here it is seen as a Leigh club, whereas you lot see it as a Horwich club&#8230;YCNMIU.</p>
<p>Anyway the point I was making is they should have started from the bottom or given support to Leigh Athletic and then they could have applied to join the NWCFL and work their way up, just as AFCL, FCUM and AFCW are doing.  You cant claim there was no football in the town when there was Lancashire Amateur League being played (1 tier below the North West Counties).  It&#8217;s no different from the Milton Keynes situation, even they had MK City on their door in the Southern League, the only difference between Leigh/Horwich and MK/Wimbledon is one team was well known and the other was a little non league club that nobody cares about.  If you legitimise Leigh, you legitimise MK Dons and if you do that 150years of British footballing history is turned upside down if you allow franchise football.</p>
<p>The sooner Leigh die the better, then maybe they can start properly from the bottom of the pyramid like any normal and legitimate club&#8230;until that day I will continue to hate both the club and what it stands for&#8230;epitomised by &#8220;BRAND GENESIS!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tHe-fRoNt</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/06/20/from-leigh-rmi-to-leigh-genesis/#comment-5665</link>
		<dc:creator>tHe-fRoNt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ Ste,you may aswell finish it off and youtube yourself bursting into tears over the matter. Im just stating how it has been for the following Leigh fans. I personally couldnt give a flying fuck about Horwich RMI. And theres no point having a pop at me for thier misfortune of being taken over to Hilton Park all those years ago,it wasnt the people of Leigh who made that decision. Perhaps its the runners of Horwich RMI you ought to vent your anger over,rather than the Loyal fans that have followed the club since its move to Leigh.

Although im not a fan of this 'Genesis' and commercial approach,i have to agree that the 'RMI'had to go. Everyone i spoke to in the past regarding watching Leigh quoted they wouldnt watch 'RMI' as they were not a Leigh team. Unfortunately for the Horwichites this rebranding is long overdue to give the locals a feel that Leighs football team is their own.

How the hell can you bring in new support and progress if the clubs ignored by the towns population. Id love the support of Leigh launch their own club aka FCUM.If nothing else just to silence the dinosaurs that have been holding the club back for the last 6 years,but that simply isnt going to happen.

So my verdict is,no im not all for the commercialism and fancy websites etc etc etc..........but,i am all for a fresh start.

Oh and Leigh RMI where my team just as much as any other fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ Ste,you may aswell finish it off and youtube yourself bursting into tears over the matter. Im just stating how it has been for the following Leigh fans. I personally couldnt give a flying fuck about Horwich RMI. And theres no point having a pop at me for thier misfortune of being taken over to Hilton Park all those years ago,it wasnt the people of Leigh who made that decision. Perhaps its the runners of Horwich RMI you ought to vent your anger over,rather than the Loyal fans that have followed the club since its move to Leigh.</p>
<p>Although im not a fan of this &#8216;Genesis&#8217; and commercial approach,i have to agree that the &#8216;RMI&#8217;had to go. Everyone i spoke to in the past regarding watching Leigh quoted they wouldnt watch &#8216;RMI&#8217; as they were not a Leigh team. Unfortunately for the Horwichites this rebranding is long overdue to give the locals a feel that Leighs football team is their own.</p>
<p>How the hell can you bring in new support and progress if the clubs ignored by the towns population. Id love the support of Leigh launch their own club aka FCUM.If nothing else just to silence the dinosaurs that have been holding the club back for the last 6 years,but that simply isnt going to happen.</p>
<p>So my verdict is,no im not all for the commercialism and fancy websites etc etc etc&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.but,i am all for a fresh start.</p>
<p>Oh and Leigh RMI where my team just as much as any other fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Ste, Horwich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ste, Horwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the last comment:
"I do agree with some of the negatives but please dont have a pop at the fans,Unless you have been a follower of Leigh in the past its hard to explain how dissapointing it has been."

I dont, have never, and will never support Leigh...but I did support Horwich Railway Mechanics Institute Football Club before they were stolen and died in 1995 against the wishes of ALL the fans...Am I allowed a pop?  'It's hard to explain how disappointing it has been'...try being a battling lower end team in the Northern Premier League with little prospects of promotion to the Conference (except the late 1980s and then the manager went to Chorley taking most of the players with him and the rest is as they say history.  Watching a club whose ground was not the best of standard, but lots of character, a team who played for the love of it but always struggled but seldom won, but not caring as that was your team, that is what supporting a team is about.  Or at least it was till it was stolen in a similar fashion to the way in which Wimbledon were subsequently taken from their community and transplanted to Milton Keynes.  MK Mongs and Leigh Exodus have everything in common, both are bastard clubs with no legitimacy who have taken the place of another team, another town...and now with the "rebranding" have finally cut all ties with the former club and completly undermined the reasons given for the move...I wonder how long before MK drop "their" 'Dons' tag also.  Dont come on here explaining how disappointing it is to support a struggling club when clearly you have no idea what it means to do so, especially when that club isnt even yours!!!!!! Or rather I should say, that league position is not yours and you should not have a team at all unless you start from the bottom a la FC United of Manchester, AFC Wimbledon and now AFC Liverpool!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the last comment:<br />
&#8220;I do agree with some of the negatives but please dont have a pop at the fans,Unless you have been a follower of Leigh in the past its hard to explain how dissapointing it has been.&#8221;</p>
<p>I dont, have never, and will never support Leigh&#8230;but I did support Horwich Railway Mechanics Institute Football Club before they were stolen and died in 1995 against the wishes of ALL the fans&#8230;Am I allowed a pop?  &#8216;It&#8217;s hard to explain how disappointing it has been&#8217;&#8230;try being a battling lower end team in the Northern Premier League with little prospects of promotion to the Conference (except the late 1980s and then the manager went to Chorley taking most of the players with him and the rest is as they say history.  Watching a club whose ground was not the best of standard, but lots of character, a team who played for the love of it but always struggled but seldom won, but not caring as that was your team, that is what supporting a team is about.  Or at least it was till it was stolen in a similar fashion to the way in which Wimbledon were subsequently taken from their community and transplanted to Milton Keynes.  MK Mongs and Leigh Exodus have everything in common, both are bastard clubs with no legitimacy who have taken the place of another team, another town&#8230;and now with the &#8220;rebranding&#8221; have finally cut all ties with the former club and completly undermined the reasons given for the move&#8230;I wonder how long before MK drop &#8220;their&#8221; &#8216;Dons&#8217; tag also.  Dont come on here explaining how disappointing it is to support a struggling club when clearly you have no idea what it means to do so, especially when that club isnt even yours!!!!!! Or rather I should say, that league position is not yours and you should not have a team at all unless you start from the bottom a la FC United of Manchester, AFC Wimbledon and now AFC Liverpool!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tHe-fRoNt</title>
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		<dc:creator>tHe-fRoNt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think its the fact that its fair to have a pop at the fans who are 'all for it'. Ive been following leigh for around 6 years now and the last 5 of those have been a nightmare to say the least.
 Due to the club having no history in the town beforehand and also the diehard rugby element of Leigh hating having them share 'their ground'.Its made it very difficult for the club to bring in new support. Not only that,the past managment of the club has been utter shit. With no attempt at PR to attract in families or get in teenagers off the streets.

I was all for a name change as not only did the RMI thing not fit with Leigh not having a train station,but the fact that Leigh is the largest town in Britain without a train station is a little ironic dont you think.............................But, i do agree that the Genesis 'brand' is a bit of a joke. It certainly is commercialising[Americanising IMO!!!]

I do agree with some of the negatives but please dont have a pop at the fans,Unless you have been a follower of Leigh in the past its hard to explain how dissapointing it has been. Dominic Speakman has offered us a bright future which personally i am very sceptical of. At the end of the day he is a businessman. If it goes tits up he'll be off and will leave the pieces firmly behind.

But i can understand why the fans are backing him. It may now be a risky future ahead  but before he came Leigh didnt have a future atall.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think its the fact that its fair to have a pop at the fans who are &#8216;all for it&#8217;. Ive been following leigh for around 6 years now and the last 5 of those have been a nightmare to say the least.<br />
 Due to the club having no history in the town beforehand and also the diehard rugby element of Leigh hating having them share &#8216;their ground&#8217;.Its made it very difficult for the club to bring in new support. Not only that,the past managment of the club has been utter shit. With no attempt at PR to attract in families or get in teenagers off the streets.</p>
<p>I was all for a name change as not only did the RMI thing not fit with Leigh not having a train station,but the fact that Leigh is the largest town in Britain without a train station is a little ironic dont you think&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..But, i do agree that the Genesis &#8216;brand&#8217; is a bit of a joke. It certainly is commercialising[Americanising IMO!!!]</p>
<p>I do agree with some of the negatives but please dont have a pop at the fans,Unless you have been a follower of Leigh in the past its hard to explain how dissapointing it has been. Dominic Speakman has offered us a bright future which personally i am very sceptical of. At the end of the day he is a businessman. If it goes tits up he&#8217;ll be off and will leave the pieces firmly behind.</p>
<p>But i can understand why the fans are backing him. It may now be a risky future ahead  but before he came Leigh didnt have a future atall.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an absolute joke, what difference does he think the name will make, non-league football is'nt about branding its about the passion of the fans and real footballers playing football in its purest form</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an absolute joke, what difference does he think the name will make, non-league football is&#8217;nt about branding its about the passion of the fans and real footballers playing football in its purest form</p>
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