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	<title>Comments on: Qu&#8217;est-ce que Vous Chantez? Song and Support at Toronto FC</title>
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		<title>By: Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brits are a legend when it comes to this sport and we really feel the passion through the fans chanting and cheering in the stadium. Richard you made a great point there.
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brits are a legend when it comes to this sport and we really feel the passion through the fans chanting and cheering in the stadium. Richard you made a great point there.<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Ticket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ticket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and discussion. I agree that it takes a while to come up with a chant, and while we Toronto fans may be a bit quiet at the start, we should catch on soon enough. And I do hope without the hooliganism.

While we may be quiet in the stands, we tend to be a bit louder proclaiming our support for teams on the street with our cars  - there is much noisemaking during Euro games and World games especially. Some area much louder than others. I used to live in the Italian/Portuguese quarter and you could always tell when a game was on, and especially if they won, just by the sounds of the traffic.

As for boxes - blech. You are absolutely right - paid for by entertainment accounts to entertain  clients, none of which have the slightest interest in the game. Very very sad on too many fronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and discussion. I agree that it takes a while to come up with a chant, and while we Toronto fans may be a bit quiet at the start, we should catch on soon enough. And I do hope without the hooliganism.</p>
<p>While we may be quiet in the stands, we tend to be a bit louder proclaiming our support for teams on the street with our cars  &#8211; there is much noisemaking during Euro games and World games especially. Some area much louder than others. I used to live in the Italian/Portuguese quarter and you could always tell when a game was on, and especially if they won, just by the sounds of the traffic.</p>
<p>As for boxes &#8211; blech. You are absolutely right &#8211; paid for by entertainment accounts to entertain  clients, none of which have the slightest interest in the game. Very very sad on too many fronts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you want to talk about working class roots of the game, you wouldn&#039;t have been sitting next to your grandad!

It was all stands for the working class and for kids like me it was a quick train ride and maybe a tube ride to get to the parks like Highbury, Stamford Bridge and others like Crystal Palace.

Unfortunately it&#039;s also where the yobo culture rooted in the 70s when hooliganism exploded. Still, there&#039;s enough of that &quot;brothers-in-arms&quot; mentality to carry forward as a unique tribal culture without the idiots who cause the trouble.
As a season ticket holder at TFC in Section 114 behind the goal I&#039;ve seen the best of the culture and the worse of it.

Still, too many people use the game as an exuse to get drunk and do stupid things like throw fireworks and golf balls onto the field.

The good news is that over time a true TFC culture is emerging. One that does borrow from the English experience but also blends the Latino, the Carribean, Italian and eastern European footie cultures.

In a couple of years we may still borrow from the standards but we will create our own voice and our own content.

It&#039;s hard to get chants going because most Canadians are programmed to sing along with the organ music at hockey and baseball games.

Spontaneity is not their forte. So when the savvy Euros among the crowd do start to sing something other than, Toronto Till I die, or when the Reds go Marching in or  Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Edu, it&#039;s usually one or two voices and the surrounding folks are lost because they have no play list.

This will change. Right now there&#039;s only two or three players with songs....Danny Dichio, Mo Edu, Armando Guvera ...Jimmy Brennan&#039;s song is too complex to resonate and the others are just reworked lyrics over tired melodies ripped off from Europe.

It&#039;s probably indicative of the fact that there are different fan factions, the U Sector, Red Patch Boys North End Elite ect and each wants to be the &quot;true&quot; voice.

When they put aside rivalries and get behind one team, TFC, this too will change and when one section takes up a chant or song, the rest will get behind it.

Having said all that, I had a chance to sit in a box for a game recently and what a difference.

It was boring!!!!!!! Talk about yer prawn sammie brigade.

That&#039;s where English football changed..it was an affordable working class pastime where dads, brothers and kids could go to a game in the stands.

With the arrival of seats, then boxes,, it became much more upscale. Just look at the price of an EPL ticket today.

Hardly working class anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you want to talk about working class roots of the game, you wouldn&#8217;t have been sitting next to your grandad!</p>
<p>It was all stands for the working class and for kids like me it was a quick train ride and maybe a tube ride to get to the parks like Highbury, Stamford Bridge and others like Crystal Palace.</p>
<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s also where the yobo culture rooted in the 70s when hooliganism exploded. Still, there&#8217;s enough of that &#8220;brothers-in-arms&#8221; mentality to carry forward as a unique tribal culture without the idiots who cause the trouble.<br />
As a season ticket holder at TFC in Section 114 behind the goal I&#8217;ve seen the best of the culture and the worse of it.</p>
<p>Still, too many people use the game as an exuse to get drunk and do stupid things like throw fireworks and golf balls onto the field.</p>
<p>The good news is that over time a true TFC culture is emerging. One that does borrow from the English experience but also blends the Latino, the Carribean, Italian and eastern European footie cultures.</p>
<p>In a couple of years we may still borrow from the standards but we will create our own voice and our own content.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to get chants going because most Canadians are programmed to sing along with the organ music at hockey and baseball games.</p>
<p>Spontaneity is not their forte. So when the savvy Euros among the crowd do start to sing something other than, Toronto Till I die, or when the Reds go Marching in or  Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Edu, it&#8217;s usually one or two voices and the surrounding folks are lost because they have no play list.</p>
<p>This will change. Right now there&#8217;s only two or three players with songs&#8230;.Danny Dichio, Mo Edu, Armando Guvera &#8230;Jimmy Brennan&#8217;s song is too complex to resonate and the others are just reworked lyrics over tired melodies ripped off from Europe.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably indicative of the fact that there are different fan factions, the U Sector, Red Patch Boys North End Elite ect and each wants to be the &#8220;true&#8221; voice.</p>
<p>When they put aside rivalries and get behind one team, TFC, this too will change and when one section takes up a chant or song, the rest will get behind it.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I had a chance to sit in a box for a game recently and what a difference.</p>
<p>It was boring!!!!!!! Talk about yer prawn sammie brigade.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where English football changed..it was an affordable working class pastime where dads, brothers and kids could go to a game in the stands.</p>
<p>With the arrival of seats, then boxes,, it became much more upscale. Just look at the price of an EPL ticket today.</p>
<p>Hardly working class anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: april 19 1994</title>
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		<dc:creator>april 19 1994</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] World Cup, what moved me most was not the movement on the pitch but the boisterous singing heardhttp://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/06/02/quest-ce-que-vous-chantez-song-and-support-at-toronto-fc/News and notes on the PGA Tour&#039;s top 20 golfers USA TodayGet the latest news and notes on the top 20 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Toronto FC: They don&#8217;t pay for healthcare and nor do I &#171; The View From The Shelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toronto FC: They don&#8217;t pay for healthcare and nor do I &#171; The View From The Shelf</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] was now more than curious and co-incidentally found an article about the team on one of my favourite football sites on the very same day.  Typically for Pitch Invasion, it was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard what happened to you on TLN???? how come you are no longer commentating SERIE A games??? we miss you Richard....


I miss Richard Whittal and Wayne Boyce on sunday mornings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard what happened to you on TLN???? how come you are no longer commentating SERIE A games??? we miss you Richard&#8230;.</p>
<p>I miss Richard Whittal and Wayne Boyce on sunday mornings</p>
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		<title>By: EuroDose: June 3rd &#8216;08 - Euro 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>EuroDose: June 3rd &#8216;08 - Euro 2008</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] there is a world outside of Europe &#8230; a dissection of the fan phenomenon at Toronto FC (Pitch Invasion)      Tags: Euro 2008 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really nice peace of writing. thanks a lot for that!</description>
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		<title>By: kipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>kipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said jay cos i cant remember many bands from my home town of middlesbrough in the  50s and 60s,had me baffled that one! oh and chicago had 200 fans!bloody hell !where did they manage to park the 4 buses?just kiddin ,i do realise the travelling involved,here in england we rarely have to travell more than 300miles round trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said jay cos i cant remember many bands from my home town of middlesbrough in the  50s and 60s,had me baffled that one! oh and chicago had 200 fans!bloody hell !where did they manage to park the 4 buses?just kiddin ,i do realise the travelling involved,here in england we rarely have to travell more than 300miles round trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Whittall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Whittall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay -- Good eye.  That should of course read North-West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay &#8212; Good eye.  That should of course read North-West.</p>
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