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	<title>Comments on: Playoffs in the Premier League?</title>
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		<title>By: Rory Miller</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/04/24/playoffs-in-the-premier-league/#comment-4603</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The English already have a 39th game (for two teams at least), it's called the Community Shield.

Why not set up 10 exhibition games to happen the week before the start of the season just like the community shield.  Just let them play overseas... make lots of money, spread the fanbase, just don't count the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The English already have a 39th game (for two teams at least), it&#8217;s called the Community Shield.</p>
<p>Why not set up 10 exhibition games to happen the week before the start of the season just like the community shield.  Just let them play overseas&#8230; make lots of money, spread the fanbase, just don&#8217;t count the result.</p>
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		<title>By: Bulk VanDerHuge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bulk VanDerHuge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Alex:

Classic case of "grass is always greener," I suppose.  Quite interesting logic with regards to rugby, but I'd point out that baseball is quite a different sport in that it's the only team sport where the side on defense has the ball.

To win in baseball you've got to throw it over the plate and give the other man his chance.  Not every sport can say that.  Yes, the threat of relegation would make some NFL games uglier than they already are to watch, but I'd think the threat of losing enormous TV money would make greedy owners want to win.  JMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Alex:</p>
<p>Classic case of &#8220;grass is always greener,&#8221; I suppose.  Quite interesting logic with regards to rugby, but I&#8217;d point out that baseball is quite a different sport in that it&#8217;s the only team sport where the side on defense has the ball.</p>
<p>To win in baseball you&#8217;ve got to throw it over the plate and give the other man his chance.  Not every sport can say that.  Yes, the threat of relegation would make some NFL games uglier than they already are to watch, but I&#8217;d think the threat of losing enormous TV money would make greedy owners want to win.  JMO.</p>
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		<title>By: clayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>before a playoff to win the league, i think we`ll see a playoff for one or two of the euro comp places ... that`ll have the same effect of more interest for more teams.  

looking ten years ahead, who knows what the circus will look like.  

on a tangent - i hope the fabled asian riches evaporate because the asians are too busy supporting their own teams in their own cities ... for myself i know my antipodean interest in arsenal has all but evaporated since a new, hopefully more stable australian competition was started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>before a playoff to win the league, i think we`ll see a playoff for one or two of the euro comp places &#8230; that`ll have the same effect of more interest for more teams.  </p>
<p>looking ten years ahead, who knows what the circus will look like.  </p>
<p>on a tangent - i hope the fabled asian riches evaporate because the asians are too busy supporting their own teams in their own cities &#8230; for myself i know my antipodean interest in arsenal has all but evaporated since a new, hopefully more stable australian competition was started.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/04/24/playoffs-in-the-premier-league/#comment-4400</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But yeah, on the actual topic, 10 years time I'm fairly sure we'll have a play-off system although not in the American style. Top 6 in the league involved in a fairly convoluted system. Grand final at Wembley, FA Cup finally killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But yeah, on the actual topic, 10 years time I&#8217;m fairly sure we&#8217;ll have a play-off system although not in the American style. Top 6 in the league involved in a fairly convoluted system. Grand final at Wembley, FA Cup finally killed.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bulk: the exact opposite is the logic used in British sport. Rugby League's Super League recently closed itself off because the threat of relegation is a barrier to the development of the league. Why would someone spend money on a team that, after one bad season, could be playing Leigh Centurions to crowds of 100? They also claim that the threat of relegation lead to too many poor quality, scrappy games where sides are terrified of losing.

In a closed system, the worst teams can play nice, entertaining Rugby without fear. The fans win.

I dunno what a fan of KC Royals or Miami Dolphins would have to say to that, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bulk: the exact opposite is the logic used in British sport. Rugby League&#8217;s Super League recently closed itself off because the threat of relegation is a barrier to the development of the league. Why would someone spend money on a team that, after one bad season, could be playing Leigh Centurions to crowds of 100? They also claim that the threat of relegation lead to too many poor quality, scrappy games where sides are terrified of losing.</p>
<p>In a closed system, the worst teams can play nice, entertaining Rugby without fear. The fans win.</p>
<p>I dunno what a fan of KC Royals or Miami Dolphins would have to say to that, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/04/24/playoffs-in-the-premier-league/#comment-4392</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoping this doesn't happen, but speaking as a Newcastle fan...damn, that'd be an easy division to manage, me thinks...

It's not that I'm against playoffs in the Premier League, I'm just 100% against eliminating promotion/relegation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoping this doesn&#8217;t happen, but speaking as a Newcastle fan&#8230;damn, that&#8217;d be an easy division to manage, me thinks&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m against playoffs in the Premier League, I&#8217;m just 100% against eliminating promotion/relegation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bulk VanDerHuge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bulk VanDerHuge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell you what .. I wish the concept of relegation was adopted in ALL American sports, not just MLS.  The number one complaint of most sports fans I talk with here is owners who don't care, who are in it to take the fan's dollar, and see no reason to invest in players as long as the product is lining his pocket.

A trip to a lower league would do some baseball owners a world of good.  In that regard, the idea of closing the EPL couldn't be more misguided.  American minor league teams have no hope of reaching a top flight, many have players with little or no connection to the communities or clubs they play for, and the pyramid scheme that results is bad for sports in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell you what .. I wish the concept of relegation was adopted in ALL American sports, not just MLS.  The number one complaint of most sports fans I talk with here is owners who don&#8217;t care, who are in it to take the fan&#8217;s dollar, and see no reason to invest in players as long as the product is lining his pocket.</p>
<p>A trip to a lower league would do some baseball owners a world of good.  In that regard, the idea of closing the EPL couldn&#8217;t be more misguided.  American minor league teams have no hope of reaching a top flight, many have players with little or no connection to the communities or clubs they play for, and the pyramid scheme that results is bad for sports in general.</p>
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		<title>By: papa bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>papa bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There would be no legal challenge to a cap system in the Prem is such a thing was instituted. The only thing they could do that would be illegal would be if they said 'Englishmen only' or put up some other barriers limiting the number of non-Englishmen in the league. There is nothing in the EU laws that say a business (and yes, football is a business now folks) can't limit how much money they will spend on their employee rosters. I mean, clubs set budgets all the time thus capping themselves. Because once they all became 'franchised' to the Premiere League, the Premiere League would technically be the 'corporate office'

Also, the act of having playoffs and such wouldn't preclude them from participating in Champion's League. If it did, there would never be another Dutch team in there again or even Scotish team with the whole 'spliitng the league' thing not being 'standard'  

I'm not saying I advocate the change or not, it's up to the English people to decided honestly. they can run their league however the hell they want IMO (as can any other nation) However, it is kinda funny to see the teeth gnashing over the prospect of it all. It reminds me of talking to my grandpa a long time ago when he'd reminisce about how sports in the US used to be. They were run a far cry from how they are now. there were tons of baseball leagues that would play each other and they would have teams drop in and out of leagues and switch leagues all the time when it was still semi-pro/amateur. Once big money could be made, they realized the way to make the most was going the way of the modern system for better or worse.
 
Football in Europe hasn't been 'full pro' for as long as sports here have and it's only a matter of time until some started thinking of going the 'big bucks' route, the formation of the Premier League was one of the first volley's in the battle for that push. I mean there were people in the 1970's and early '80's in many leagues that were still working side jobs in Europe. Thus the reason the NASL was able to pull in so many world class stars.

It would definitely be odd to see leagues change in that manner in Europe but I can't say it would shock me to see it all that much. i honestly always thought it would be the Bundesliga that made the leap first given the heavy American influence in Germany and our (German) love of structure and ordered elements. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would be no legal challenge to a cap system in the Prem is such a thing was instituted. The only thing they could do that would be illegal would be if they said &#8216;Englishmen only&#8217; or put up some other barriers limiting the number of non-Englishmen in the league. There is nothing in the EU laws that say a business (and yes, football is a business now folks) can&#8217;t limit how much money they will spend on their employee rosters. I mean, clubs set budgets all the time thus capping themselves. Because once they all became &#8216;franchised&#8217; to the Premiere League, the Premiere League would technically be the &#8216;corporate office&#8217;</p>
<p>Also, the act of having playoffs and such wouldn&#8217;t preclude them from participating in Champion&#8217;s League. If it did, there would never be another Dutch team in there again or even Scotish team with the whole &#8217;spliitng the league&#8217; thing not being &#8217;standard&#8217;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I advocate the change or not, it&#8217;s up to the English people to decided honestly. they can run their league however the hell they want IMO (as can any other nation) However, it is kinda funny to see the teeth gnashing over the prospect of it all. It reminds me of talking to my grandpa a long time ago when he&#8217;d reminisce about how sports in the US used to be. They were run a far cry from how they are now. there were tons of baseball leagues that would play each other and they would have teams drop in and out of leagues and switch leagues all the time when it was still semi-pro/amateur. Once big money could be made, they realized the way to make the most was going the way of the modern system for better or worse.</p>
<p>Football in Europe hasn&#8217;t been &#8216;full pro&#8217; for as long as sports here have and it&#8217;s only a matter of time until some started thinking of going the &#8216;big bucks&#8217; route, the formation of the Premier League was one of the first volley&#8217;s in the battle for that push. I mean there were people in the 1970&#8217;s and early &#8217;80&#8217;s in many leagues that were still working side jobs in Europe. Thus the reason the NASL was able to pull in so many world class stars.</p>
<p>It would definitely be odd to see leagues change in that manner in Europe but I can&#8217;t say it would shock me to see it all that much. i honestly always thought it would be the Bundesliga that made the leap first given the heavy American influence in Germany and our (German) love of structure and ordered elements. <img src='http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are them 'divisions' meant to be done geographically? You should check where Hull is on a map! And the North East (Newcastle et al.) is hardly near Anglia!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are them &#8216;divisions&#8217; meant to be done geographically? You should check where Hull is on a map! And the North East (Newcastle et al.) is hardly near Anglia!!</p>
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		<title>By: ursus arctos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ursus arctos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wouldn't be that difficult to fashion a challenge to a hard salary cap as interfering with a EU citizen's right to freely exercise his profession in another member state.  Whether you would win would depend on the details of the rule in question, but recall that the football authorities thought that there was nothing wrong with the old transfer system before the Bosman case.  As a matter of fact, the lawyer who represented Bosman in that case has already said that he would challenge any salary cap.

Keep in mind that European leagues don't have collective bargaining contracts with the players' unions; the system is very different than what North Americans are used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be that difficult to fashion a challenge to a hard salary cap as interfering with a EU citizen&#8217;s right to freely exercise his profession in another member state.  Whether you would win would depend on the details of the rule in question, but recall that the football authorities thought that there was nothing wrong with the old transfer system before the Bosman case.  As a matter of fact, the lawyer who represented Bosman in that case has already said that he would challenge any salary cap.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that European leagues don&#8217;t have collective bargaining contracts with the players&#8217; unions; the system is very different than what North Americans are used to.</p>
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