Comments on: Racism in Poland: What you didn’t see on the BBC

By: Polish

Polish — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:09:21 +0000

Not all supporters are violent. There are many people who go to football to cheer his team and enjoy the show.

By: Adam

Adam — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:13:44 +0000

Poland’s Increased support of Fascist Germany comes from years of Communist Suppression, The Communists in Poland killed thousands , If not just as many as the German did. Despite what you may of heard or read from Politically bias journo and social commentators. Majority of the Polish People hate Communism and some not all, Have no faith in Democracy, especially with the current Global Economic Crisis, They See Fascist Germany of the old as the only other Alternative form government .

Being of Polish Origin myself I can account for the Ultra Nationalist view of the polish people. Poland for the Polish people and also the classic line of GOD,RACE AND COUNTRY which many clubs use as their slogan. The global Left Wing Campaign to turn Patriotism into Nationalist/Fascist Politics, Help’s feed the Irritation. Poland for many years never had their own country let alone, Laws or government. So attacking the Polish peoples Patriotism for their home land, is not really a wise move and normally condemned by the general public.

Let us not forget , These firms Helped Lech Walesa overthrow the oppressive communist government in Poland , they were his Militant Wing. If these firms overthrow governments , what chance do academics , Politicians and police have ? . Let us not forget , the current political recruitment drive to get these Hooligan firms involved in either Right Or Left Wing Politics , There are many documented cases of this , Especially in Poland and Russia. Not all clubs support Right Wing Ideologies either , some have ties with the old communist party

By: Rulo Vinello

Rulo Vinello — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:07:10 +0000

Very good written. I’ m loving reading these articles , it is such a rich topic, and a great chance for fans to share their knowledge & passion!

R.Vinello

By: Vern's Crowd Control Barriers

Vern's Crowd Control Barriers — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:22:48 +0000

Living in the US, I had no idea about a lot of the problems going on in the EU soccer league, but it seems fairly normal that this sort of bigotry is happening. After all, there’s no “civilized” place in the world where there isn’t any racism at all. I find it most interesting that it comes out of the former communist bloc, though.

By: Jacksonville Personal Injury Guy

Jacksonville Personal Injury Guy — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:36:53 +0000

That’s a great point of view, and very reasonable. The Japanese scene definitely is trying to copy the Italian’s model. Abi, thanks for the clip!

~W.H.

By: abi

abi — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:22:18 +0000

interesting post and comments- there’s a clip of what i presume is the documentary in question here if anyone’s interested- http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x500y1_bbc-inside-sport-poland-football-ra_sport

By: Tony B

Tony B — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:56:24 +0000

think the case is pretty simple. England after Taylor’s report and Poland after communism are 2 different worlds. When it comes to infrastructure, stadium safety, political engagement and general social conditions we are a lot closer to Italians (or were, today’s Polish emigration to Britain is changing the situation rapidly). And I think this is just the soil for ultras.
I don’t think it’s because of the Pope or Boniek. We also don’t see Serie A or… any league (even Polish) on free tv and few people can afford to pay for digital or satelite tv.

Plus, Polish ultras is quite young- dates back to 2001 if I recall well. Back then England already wasn’t a good inspiration and USA is trying to develop it’s ultras right now, so we might be pretty close in the end.

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By: ursus arctos

ursus arctos — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:21:46 +0000

Salut, mon pote.

Did the Boulougne Boys at PSG form after ’84? I thought that they were already there when I first went to the Parc in late ’83, though it is perfectly possible that I am conflating that experience with my much more frequent visits later in the decade. As it happens, I have an article from So Foot that no doubt answers the question, but I can’t find it right now, and know that you know the answer at least as well as the author of the article in question.

The current generational and style mix in the German Fankurven at the moment is indeed very interesting, and worthy of an article in itself. The idea of denim and patch-bedecked and mullet wearing “Fussballfan” in an Italian Curva is too ridiculous to contemplate, but some how it still works at home.

By: 1890

1890 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:40:33 +0000

Hello

As far as I know Italy is the inspiration for the entire ultra movement in Europe. From its establishement in the mid 70′s as the structured setup we are familiar with, it took nearly a decade to come out of it, with the first places to turn to it outside its borders being very close to the Italian sphere of influence (Commando Ultras in Marseille in 84 and Ragazzi della Nord also in 84 in Lugano at the ice hockey club being two of the most famous examples) and it was not before the early 90′s that the spread went further “inland” with groups being born in France and Switzerland (in the French and Italian speaking part, Section Grenat of Servette Geneva becoming an the first major ultra group in 94). Nothern European countries were generally quite reluctant to abandon the looser English model but nowadays Germany has some really excellent “curvas”, shared between the older fan type (jeans jackets with patches and scarves on the arms…) and the modern ultra.