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	<title>Comments on: Drawing Football With Love</title>
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		<title>By: US Stamps Collecting</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/04/16/drawing-football-with-love/comment-page-1/#comment-6087</link>
		<dc:creator>US Stamps Collecting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice football drawings. I can draw but not that good ;)
greats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice football drawings. I can draw but not that good <img src='http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
greats</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Madden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a follow up to the previous post about issues of gender in football, there have been important studies with significant conclusions in this area.

One such study found that women who participate in sports such as football demonstrated higher self esteem in addition to enhanced self perception and self worth.  This in turn led to improved sense of accomplishment and self empowerment.

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a follow up to the previous post about issues of gender in football, there have been important studies with significant conclusions in this area.</p>
<p>One such study found that women who participate in sports such as football demonstrated higher self esteem in addition to enhanced self perception and self worth.  This in turn led to improved sense of accomplishment and self empowerment.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Madden</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/04/16/drawing-football-with-love/comment-page-1/#comment-6048</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if we want to talk about gender issues, let&#039;s consider this.  Women certainly can and do play real tackle football. There are women’s leagues that provide a place for women to play football. The women’s season is off-season for the men’s teams, so women play in the heat of the spring and summer which means that more endurance and stamina is required than for their male counterparts. Women play with just as much enthusiasm and vigor as men, and their sport is up and coming.

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if we want to talk about gender issues, let&#8217;s consider this.  Women certainly can and do play real tackle football. There are women’s leagues that provide a place for women to play football. The women’s season is off-season for the men’s teams, so women play in the heat of the spring and summer which means that more endurance and stamina is required than for their male counterparts. Women play with just as much enthusiasm and vigor as men, and their sport is up and coming.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: SpanglyPrincess</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpanglyPrincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, thanks Laurie, for sharing your (sad) story.

This has been a very interesting discussion which I have to say I personally have found really challenging. People often tell me that I&#039;m more like a man than a woman, in character, which maybe &quot;helps&quot; in this scenario. I have been especially thinking about Jennifer&#039;s question above: why is it so hard to accept that gender is the issue? I haven&#039;t really got any answers for that other than a wholly unsatisfactory visceral reaction of my own which I can only imagine rings even more true for people who are actually male. I have been brooding on this all week now! Perhaps I shall try to write a follow-up post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, thanks Laurie, for sharing your (sad) story.</p>
<p>This has been a very interesting discussion which I have to say I personally have found really challenging. People often tell me that I&#8217;m more like a man than a woman, in character, which maybe &#8220;helps&#8221; in this scenario. I have been especially thinking about Jennifer&#8217;s question above: why is it so hard to accept that gender is the issue? I haven&#8217;t really got any answers for that other than a wholly unsatisfactory visceral reaction of my own which I can only imagine rings even more true for people who are actually male. I have been brooding on this all week now! Perhaps I shall try to write a follow-up post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That story is EXACTLY the sort of thing I was trying to describe.  Thanks for sharing - and for telling the tale so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That story is EXACTLY the sort of thing I was trying to describe.  Thanks for sharing &#8211; and for telling the tale so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny about your comments on females talking footy.  I find the same thing.  It would be different, I think, if I were young and single and using it as a way to connect with a male for other reasons.  As it is I just love the game, and this generally makes me feel a bit...outside.   Or more than a bit.

The fact that I write for a soccer blog is not something I discuss when I&#039;m out and about.  I&#039;m married.  I&#039;m a mom.  I&#039;m an American.  People just don&#039;t get it.   Only a tiny portion of the people who know me know what I do, and even fewer know the name of the site.  

A somewhat related story:  A few weeks back I was in Heathrow with my husband, sitting in a little pub-type-place to kill a couple of hours.  Portsmouth was playing West Brom on the TV, so we moved our seats to sit where I could see.  A forty-something guy sits down at the table behind us to have a pint.  He and my husband start chatting.  He goes off on how Americans don&#039;t know football.   My husband asks him who&#039;s playing.  He says, &quot;Oh, it&#039;s Portsmouth and...&quot;  He hesitates.

&quot;West Brom,&quot; I say, quietly.  

&quot;What?&quot;

&quot;West Brom.  It&#039;s the FA Cup semis.&quot;  

&quot;Oh, no, I don&#039;t think...  I believe it&#039;s just...&quot;  He loooks at the field, where the words &quot;FA Cup&quot; are everywhere.  &quot;Well, perhaps you&#039;re right.&quot;  Grudgingly.  

My husband starts to say, &quot;Yes, she writes for a soccer site,&quot; but I cut him off.  There is no point to bringing this up.  I have already violated some sort of unspoken rule, and continuing the conversation won&#039;t accomplish anything.  I&#039;m not upset by this.  It&#039;s just the way things are.  The two of them continue chatting, the game ends, the man leaves.  

When I go to games, I drag along family members as shields, because women alone at sporting events are...odd.  Nobody understands that we can just...love the game.  

And so I think we miss out on a lot of the social aspect of the game that guys experience.  And not necessarily by choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny about your comments on females talking footy.  I find the same thing.  It would be different, I think, if I were young and single and using it as a way to connect with a male for other reasons.  As it is I just love the game, and this generally makes me feel a bit&#8230;outside.   Or more than a bit.</p>
<p>The fact that I write for a soccer blog is not something I discuss when I&#8217;m out and about.  I&#8217;m married.  I&#8217;m a mom.  I&#8217;m an American.  People just don&#8217;t get it.   Only a tiny portion of the people who know me know what I do, and even fewer know the name of the site.  </p>
<p>A somewhat related story:  A few weeks back I was in Heathrow with my husband, sitting in a little pub-type-place to kill a couple of hours.  Portsmouth was playing West Brom on the TV, so we moved our seats to sit where I could see.  A forty-something guy sits down at the table behind us to have a pint.  He and my husband start chatting.  He goes off on how Americans don&#8217;t know football.   My husband asks him who&#8217;s playing.  He says, &#8220;Oh, it&#8217;s Portsmouth and&#8230;&#8221;  He hesitates.</p>
<p>&#8220;West Brom,&#8221; I say, quietly.  </p>
<p>&#8220;What?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;West Brom.  It&#8217;s the FA Cup semis.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, no, I don&#8217;t think&#8230;  I believe it&#8217;s just&#8230;&#8221;  He loooks at the field, where the words &#8220;FA Cup&#8221; are everywhere.  &#8220;Well, perhaps you&#8217;re right.&#8221;  Grudgingly.  </p>
<p>My husband starts to say, &#8220;Yes, she writes for a soccer site,&#8221; but I cut him off.  There is no point to bringing this up.  I have already violated some sort of unspoken rule, and continuing the conversation won&#8217;t accomplish anything.  I&#8217;m not upset by this.  It&#8217;s just the way things are.  The two of them continue chatting, the game ends, the man leaves.  </p>
<p>When I go to games, I drag along family members as shields, because women alone at sporting events are&#8230;odd.  Nobody understands that we can just&#8230;love the game.  </p>
<p>And so I think we miss out on a lot of the social aspect of the game that guys experience.  And not necessarily by choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Top 10 Sources for Intelligent Football Coverage &#124; EPL Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top 10 Sources for Intelligent Football Coverage &#124; EPL Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: historyman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was an enlightening piece, Jennifer. Most of the women whom I&#039;ve had conversations with over the years have not been fans of the beautiful game. Times are definitely changing, but the general impression that&#039;s been impressed on me is that women tolerate football, rather than actively follow it. One girl who is a family friend said recently that she could never be in a relationship with a man who loved sports. 

Looks like I&#039;ll have to change my social group! My wife is definitely not a football fan, but we do have some interesting conversations about the wider issues surrounding the game, such as its history and culture. She even came with me to watch the Barcelona derby a couple of years ago. Perhaps some men have made the mistake of centering their football conversations solely around what happens on the pitch.

I strongly agree with Sam&#039;s comments about the football culture in the UK (and Ireland). The majority of fans in this part of the world are passionate about their teams, but generally have little appetite for discussing the game in its wider context. For example, one friend of mine can recite all the latest team news and developments at Man Utd, but as soon as I bring up a relevent point from the club&#039;s history, then his eyes glaze over and the conversation soon reverts back to the latest injury scares.

If you mention to folks that your hobby is football history, and that one day you&#039;d like to make a living from it, then after a few minutes chat, that avenue of conversation often peters out. I have noticed a gradual change, but only very slowly.

The television broadcasters must share some of the blame for reinforcing the stereotypical view that females don&#039;t get football in its own right. Why else, for example, did viewers have to put up with David Ginola&#039;s punditry during the 1998 WC in France? The &#039;female factor&#039; of course! Women would never dream of watching the WC solely for footballing reasons would they?   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an enlightening piece, Jennifer. Most of the women whom I&#8217;ve had conversations with over the years have not been fans of the beautiful game. Times are definitely changing, but the general impression that&#8217;s been impressed on me is that women tolerate football, rather than actively follow it. One girl who is a family friend said recently that she could never be in a relationship with a man who loved sports. </p>
<p>Looks like I&#8217;ll have to change my social group! My wife is definitely not a football fan, but we do have some interesting conversations about the wider issues surrounding the game, such as its history and culture. She even came with me to watch the Barcelona derby a couple of years ago. Perhaps some men have made the mistake of centering their football conversations solely around what happens on the pitch.</p>
<p>I strongly agree with Sam&#8217;s comments about the football culture in the UK (and Ireland). The majority of fans in this part of the world are passionate about their teams, but generally have little appetite for discussing the game in its wider context. For example, one friend of mine can recite all the latest team news and developments at Man Utd, but as soon as I bring up a relevent point from the club&#8217;s history, then his eyes glaze over and the conversation soon reverts back to the latest injury scares.</p>
<p>If you mention to folks that your hobby is football history, and that one day you&#8217;d like to make a living from it, then after a few minutes chat, that avenue of conversation often peters out. I have noticed a gradual change, but only very slowly.</p>
<p>The television broadcasters must share some of the blame for reinforcing the stereotypical view that females don&#8217;t get football in its own right. Why else, for example, did viewers have to put up with David Ginola&#8217;s punditry during the 1998 WC in France? The &#8216;female factor&#8217; of course! Women would never dream of watching the WC solely for footballing reasons would they?   <img src='http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great artwork there. You should give it a shot on Nike&#039;s new &#039;art of Football&#039; project 1/1.

You can info about here. 

http://www.footballshirtculture.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=1296&amp;Itemid=145</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great artwork there. You should give it a shot on Nike&#8217;s new &#8216;art of Football&#8217; project 1/1.</p>
<p>You can info about here. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.footballshirtculture.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=1296&#038;Itemid=145" rel="nofollow">http://www.footballshirtculture.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=1296&#038;Itemid=145</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Whittall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Whittall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Adorno...something contrarian, against the jargon of phenomenology, generally highbrow, with a hint of American influence to round out his years in sunny LA.  Fulham?  My old German Studies prof Karen Bauer was a huge Adorno person, she would likely have a ready-made answer...she would have loved a paper on Negative Dialectics and modern football come to think of it.  

The reality is, like jazz, he would probably would have dismissed the whole enterprise as kitsch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Adorno&#8230;something contrarian, against the jargon of phenomenology, generally highbrow, with a hint of American influence to round out his years in sunny LA.  Fulham?  My old German Studies prof Karen Bauer was a huge Adorno person, she would likely have a ready-made answer&#8230;she would have loved a paper on Negative Dialectics and modern football come to think of it.  </p>
<p>The reality is, like jazz, he would probably would have dismissed the whole enterprise as kitsch.</p>
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