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		<title>By: Red Ranter</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/02/26/a-tale-of-two-premier-leagues/#comment-3344</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty20 could be a window for people to get an interest in to cricket. It's like one of those promotional offers during the launch of a new restaurant -- &lt;i&gt;if you like this, then you may want to try our main course.&lt;/i&gt;

I developed an interest in cricket through the one day form and then transitioned to appreciating Test cricket. Maybe, the newcomers would like to move from T20 to ODIs and then finally learn to appreciate Test cricket. 

However there is something that needs to be kept in mind. With an explosion in T20, ODIs will actually be cut down on as teams anyway play just 12 tests a year according to ICC rules. However this could present a dilemma as ODI's will remain the main cash cow as far as TV companies and cricket boards are concerned, as high viewership (and 100 adbreaks for 100 overs in an ODI) would mean more money. So it would be interesting to see how things get worked out. 

Personally, I wouldn't mind if T20 squeezed ODI's entirely over the long term leaving Test cricket (for the real guys) and T20 for the masses. Although, with corporatisation of cricket now, it looks like the IPL (and the increasingly powerful BCCI) would determine the future of cricket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty20 could be a window for people to get an interest in to cricket. It&#8217;s like one of those promotional offers during the launch of a new restaurant &#8212; <i>if you like this, then you may want to try our main course.</i></p>
<p>I developed an interest in cricket through the one day form and then transitioned to appreciating Test cricket. Maybe, the newcomers would like to move from T20 to ODIs and then finally learn to appreciate Test cricket. </p>
<p>However there is something that needs to be kept in mind. With an explosion in T20, ODIs will actually be cut down on as teams anyway play just 12 tests a year according to ICC rules. However this could present a dilemma as ODI&#8217;s will remain the main cash cow as far as TV companies and cricket boards are concerned, as high viewership (and 100 adbreaks for 100 overs in an ODI) would mean more money. So it would be interesting to see how things get worked out. </p>
<p>Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t mind if T20 squeezed ODI&#8217;s entirely over the long term leaving Test cricket (for the real guys) and T20 for the masses. Although, with corporatisation of cricket now, it looks like the IPL (and the increasingly powerful BCCI) would determine the future of cricket.</p>
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		<title>By: Bet Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bet Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely this is just a natural development for the game of cricket? Following the success of Twenty20 in the UK (and across the world) it was only a matter of time that this sort of league was set up. Whatever you say about this form of the game, it is entertaining to a newcomer and, critically, also to a TV audience. It can be marketed easier and they know there is money to be made out of it. I expect it will be a huge success and will be a forerunner for similar leagues across the world - however much the cricket purists will hate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely this is just a natural development for the game of cricket? Following the success of Twenty20 in the UK (and across the world) it was only a matter of time that this sort of league was set up. Whatever you say about this form of the game, it is entertaining to a newcomer and, critically, also to a TV audience. It can be marketed easier and they know there is money to be made out of it. I expect it will be a huge success and will be a forerunner for similar leagues across the world - however much the cricket purists will hate it.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/02/26/a-tale-of-two-premier-leagues/#comment-3269</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IPL is fascinating, it really is sport with all pretence stripped away. It's been made very clear that it's all about money, right from the start. I respect that.

Will it kill test cricket? It could be argued that the fifty over game has already killed test cricket outside England and Australia, if twenty20 replaces the tedious fifty over game then it's OK with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPL is fascinating, it really is sport with all pretence stripped away. It&#8217;s been made very clear that it&#8217;s all about money, right from the start. I respect that.</p>
<p>Will it kill test cricket? It could be argued that the fifty over game has already killed test cricket outside England and Australia, if twenty20 replaces the tedious fifty over game then it&#8217;s OK with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Dunmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Dunmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, that's interesting to read about. It certainly doesn't seem like the I-League has taken off, but of course, it's always hard for a new league to get going. The next year or two will be the proof in the pudding, I suppose.

Roswitha, there were a couple of interesting articles on the IPL in the Times today. &lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article3433470.ece" rel="nofollow"&gt;This one&lt;/a&gt; by Christopher Martin-Jenkins suggests the IPL and Twenty20 seriously threatens Test cricket. &lt;a href="http://timesonline.typepad.com/the_doosra/2008/02/india-australia.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Doosra blog&lt;/a&gt;, though, is less pessimistic: "There's no way an IPL or any Twenty20 contest will inspire the sort of navel-gazing or chest-thumping that accompanies defeat and victory against fierce foes in the international arena."

Which brings us to Dave's point. Twenty20 is a real quandary for cricket fans. On the one hand, it's brought a renewed interest and younger audiences out to cricket, fans who want a night's entertainment (Test cricket and four day domestic cricket is traditionally played from morning until 5 or 6pm) and it's obviously much more suited for television.  Indeed, much more like baseball.  

For me, I actually prefer to Twenty20 to the previous "one-day" abbreviated forms of the game, which also lasted most the day but didn't stretch beyond that as Test cricket does. At least this form bottles things up more briefly and doesn't pretend to be something else.  

But it has nothing of the build-up, tension and drama that a five day Test match as part of a series that lasts all summer can develop. Many series have captured the nation's attention all summer.  But withTwenty20, along with other forms of one day cricket, clogging up media attention and the calendar, the beautiful subtlety of cricket's old-fashioned form is in danger of being lost.

I think it's true that a large portion of cricket fans will always appreciate Test match cricket more than these brief versions, and not just in England and Australia.  The problem is where the money gets so big in Twenty20 that more of these IPL-like tournaments dominate the calendar and squeeze out Test match cricket entirely.  

Cricketers aren't used to being paid in millions.  The international cricket governing body doesn't have the power Fifa does over football to kill proposals like this -- players have always been more willing to give up international sanctioned cricket in the chase for money in breakaway leagues, unlike in football (so far!): see the rebel tours of South Africa during Apartheid, for example, or a previous and somewhat similar television venture launched by Kerry Packer three decades ago. As Roswitha mentions, a rival breakaway league in some ways forced the hands of the cricket authorities to approve the IPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, that&#8217;s interesting to read about. It certainly doesn&#8217;t seem like the I-League has taken off, but of course, it&#8217;s always hard for a new league to get going. The next year or two will be the proof in the pudding, I suppose.</p>
<p>Roswitha, there were a couple of interesting articles on the IPL in the Times today. <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article3433470.ece">This one</a> by Christopher Martin-Jenkins suggests the IPL and Twenty20 seriously threatens Test cricket. <a href="http://timesonline.typepad.com/the_doosra/2008/02/india-australia.html">The Doosra blog</a>, though, is less pessimistic: &#8220;There&#8217;s no way an IPL or any Twenty20 contest will inspire the sort of navel-gazing or chest-thumping that accompanies defeat and victory against fierce foes in the international arena.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which brings us to Dave&#8217;s point. Twenty20 is a real quandary for cricket fans. On the one hand, it&#8217;s brought a renewed interest and younger audiences out to cricket, fans who want a night&#8217;s entertainment (Test cricket and four day domestic cricket is traditionally played from morning until 5 or 6pm) and it&#8217;s obviously much more suited for television.  Indeed, much more like baseball.  </p>
<p>For me, I actually prefer to Twenty20 to the previous &#8220;one-day&#8221; abbreviated forms of the game, which also lasted most the day but didn&#8217;t stretch beyond that as Test cricket does. At least this form bottles things up more briefly and doesn&#8217;t pretend to be something else.  </p>
<p>But it has nothing of the build-up, tension and drama that a five day Test match as part of a series that lasts all summer can develop. Many series have captured the nation&#8217;s attention all summer.  But withTwenty20, along with other forms of one day cricket, clogging up media attention and the calendar, the beautiful subtlety of cricket&#8217;s old-fashioned form is in danger of being lost.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s true that a large portion of cricket fans will always appreciate Test match cricket more than these brief versions, and not just in England and Australia.  The problem is where the money gets so big in Twenty20 that more of these IPL-like tournaments dominate the calendar and squeeze out Test match cricket entirely.  </p>
<p>Cricketers aren&#8217;t used to being paid in millions.  The international cricket governing body doesn&#8217;t have the power Fifa does over football to kill proposals like this &#8212; players have always been more willing to give up international sanctioned cricket in the chase for money in breakaway leagues, unlike in football (so far!): see the rebel tours of South Africa during Apartheid, for example, or a previous and somewhat similar television venture launched by Kerry Packer three decades ago. As Roswitha mentions, a rival breakaway league in some ways forced the hands of the cricket authorities to approve the IPL.</p>
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		<title>By: roswitha</title>
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		<dc:creator>roswitha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. I think there may be hope for the I-League, given time and investment and a bit of luck. One star signing of some sort, some little bit of attention, an Indian team good enough to qualify for the finals of a major tournament -- it might open the door a crack. What football love there is in countries like India, in the pre-EPL days, came from our following tournaments like the World Cup and all its international variety and glamour. If there are still people around who discover football through channels like these, there's no reason there can't be a slow and steady progress in local awareness of the game. But I guess televised footie 'product' is a selfish sort of entertainment; it does not imbue one with a love for the game itself, so much as for the particular versions of it it serves up. 

It's worth noting that several teams in the I-League, apart from new kids like Viva Kerala, are venerable institutions, and have strong local supporter bases in traditionally footie-crazy areas of the country, such as Dempo and Salgaocar in Goa, and of course, Mohun Bagan and East Bengal in Calcutta. They've been around since before the I-League and are likely to be around after. 

Phew. Sorry for the tl;dr comments. Again, thanks for a super post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. I think there may be hope for the I-League, given time and investment and a bit of luck. One star signing of some sort, some little bit of attention, an Indian team good enough to qualify for the finals of a major tournament &#8212; it might open the door a crack. What football love there is in countries like India, in the pre-EPL days, came from our following tournaments like the World Cup and all its international variety and glamour. If there are still people around who discover football through channels like these, there&#8217;s no reason there can&#8217;t be a slow and steady progress in local awareness of the game. But I guess televised footie &#8216;product&#8217; is a selfish sort of entertainment; it does not imbue one with a love for the game itself, so much as for the particular versions of it it serves up. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that several teams in the I-League, apart from new kids like Viva Kerala, are venerable institutions, and have strong local supporter bases in traditionally footie-crazy areas of the country, such as Dempo and Salgaocar in Goa, and of course, Mohun Bagan and East Bengal in Calcutta. They&#8217;ve been around since before the I-League and are likely to be around after. </p>
<p>Phew. Sorry for the tl;dr comments. Again, thanks for a super post.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave's Football Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave's Football Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Major sports are always about TV, aren't they? That's one reason why soccer keeps taking so long to take off in America -- TV executives hate it. They're so used to commercial breaks after every half-inning or after every change of possession in the NFL. Hell, I've known for years when the TV timeouts are in college basketball games. 

With soccer, though, there's no place to fit the commercials, except at halftime. That makes TV people freak out.

Here's a legitimate question -- will Twenty20 Cricket make the game more like baseball in terms of viewing? And is that a good thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Major sports are always about TV, aren&#8217;t they? That&#8217;s one reason why soccer keeps taking so long to take off in America &#8212; TV executives hate it. They&#8217;re so used to commercial breaks after every half-inning or after every change of possession in the NFL. Hell, I&#8217;ve known for years when the TV timeouts are in college basketball games. </p>
<p>With soccer, though, there&#8217;s no place to fit the commercials, except at halftime. That makes TV people freak out.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a legitimate question &#8212; will Twenty20 Cricket make the game more like baseball in terms of viewing? And is that a good thing?</p>
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		<title>By: roswitha</title>
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		<dc:creator>roswitha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Tom.

The IPL and the ICL (rival breakaway Twenty20 league floated by an angry cable television magnate - I don't know if you've seen &lt;a href="http://grch.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/eight-years-on-a-decision-returns-to-bother-the-icc/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; ) are very much an attempt to make Indian cricket as much like English football as possible - comparisons between the Indian cricket team and England's national football team have been around for some time already (all that money, all those sporting slip-ups). It'll be interesting to see how this changes the face of cricket's top flight, which, of course, are its fifteen or so Test-playing nations. Will we come to a stage where the cricket-watching world would rather watch Delhi v/s Calcutta in a Twenty20 instead of a Pakistan-Australia Test? There is so much money sloshing about in the IPL right now and so many quality players being lured out that the entire sporting calendar, the way we view the game itself, might change. 

It doesn't make me happy personally, because I've begun to detest Twenty/20 cricket, faced with the prospect of so much of it, but on the most objective level it's going to be interesting to see how radical the changes are. The balance always seems to tip in favour of the money, but it's impossible to forget that the critical and cultural hegemony in cricket is still very much in the hands of old-timers England and Australia. 

&lt;i&gt;will football’s global hegemony eventually smash cricket’s hold on the Indian subcontinent?&lt;/i&gt;

Wow, it appears that there's no way out of this. Maybe we can all develop an all-consuming passion for figure-skating and leave them both to kill each other off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Tom.</p>
<p>The IPL and the ICL (rival breakaway Twenty20 league floated by an angry cable television magnate - I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve seen <a href="http://grch.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/eight-years-on-a-decision-returns-to-bother-the-icc/">this</a> ) are very much an attempt to make Indian cricket as much like English football as possible - comparisons between the Indian cricket team and England&#8217;s national football team have been around for some time already (all that money, all those sporting slip-ups). It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how this changes the face of cricket&#8217;s top flight, which, of course, are its fifteen or so Test-playing nations. Will we come to a stage where the cricket-watching world would rather watch Delhi v/s Calcutta in a Twenty20 instead of a Pakistan-Australia Test? There is so much money sloshing about in the IPL right now and so many quality players being lured out that the entire sporting calendar, the way we view the game itself, might change. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make me happy personally, because I&#8217;ve begun to detest Twenty/20 cricket, faced with the prospect of so much of it, but on the most objective level it&#8217;s going to be interesting to see how radical the changes are. The balance always seems to tip in favour of the money, but it&#8217;s impossible to forget that the critical and cultural hegemony in cricket is still very much in the hands of old-timers England and Australia. </p>
<p><i>will football’s global hegemony eventually smash cricket’s hold on the Indian subcontinent?</i></p>
<p>Wow, it appears that there&#8217;s no way out of this. Maybe we can all develop an all-consuming passion for figure-skating and leave them both to kill each other off.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can certainly vouch for the paucity of information about the I-League.  I have family in Northern India, so I've become fond of JCT FC to the extent I've been able, considering the severe lack of coverage.  I even emailed the club, or rather, the Textile Mill that owns it, offering to do a site for them, not because I think I'm particularly talented, but because I thought it might be a good way to actually get information.  

I don't believe that domestic Indian football is doomed however, as the market is simply too huge, but the developmental and institutional hurdles are high, as the comments in the Guardian blog speak to. The I-League did not even play its matches on weekends for this just-ended season. http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=598525</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can certainly vouch for the paucity of information about the I-League.  I have family in Northern India, so I&#8217;ve become fond of JCT FC to the extent I&#8217;ve been able, considering the severe lack of coverage.  I even emailed the club, or rather, the Textile Mill that owns it, offering to do a site for them, not because I think I&#8217;m particularly talented, but because I thought it might be a good way to actually get information.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that domestic Indian football is doomed however, as the market is simply too huge, but the developmental and institutional hurdles are high, as the comments in the Guardian blog speak to. The I-League did not even play its matches on weekends for this just-ended season. <a href="http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=598525">http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=598525</a></p>
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