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	<title>Comments on: G14 Disbands: A Victory for Football?</title>
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		<title>By: FenerTribun</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/01/15/g-14-disbands-not-a-victory-for-football-as-a-whole/#comment-4773</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,

Great article.  I cannot stand the G-14.

My biggest concern about this development is where the money to pay the clubs is going to come from?

What budget is going to have to be eliminated or cut?  Will this affect any of the many charitable programs FIFA runs and supports?

Also, even if the current court cases against FIFA go away, that doesn't mean there won't be ones in the future.  If a club pays 20 million for a player and then loses the services of that player for 4-6 months because of an injury at a major competition, are they really going to happy with the 100,000.00 per week the club received while the player was involved in the competition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>Great article.  I cannot stand the G-14.</p>
<p>My biggest concern about this development is where the money to pay the clubs is going to come from?</p>
<p>What budget is going to have to be eliminated or cut?  Will this affect any of the many charitable programs FIFA runs and supports?</p>
<p>Also, even if the current court cases against FIFA go away, that doesn&#8217;t mean there won&#8217;t be ones in the future.  If a club pays 20 million for a player and then loses the services of that player for 4-6 months because of an injury at a major competition, are they really going to happy with the 100,000.00 per week the club received while the player was involved in the competition?</p>
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		<title>By: 10on11 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 for 1-17</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/01/15/g-14-disbands-not-a-victory-for-football-as-a-whole/#comment-2216</link>
		<dc:creator>10on11 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 for 1-17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1.Pitch Invasion If you&#8217;re like me, you have no idea what the disbanding of the G14 actually means. Pitch Invasion breaks it down. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daily Dose 1.16.08 - World Cup Blog - African Cup of Nations 2008</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/01/15/g-14-disbands-not-a-victory-for-football-as-a-whole/#comment-2205</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily Dose 1.16.08 - World Cup Blog - African Cup of Nations 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will the end of the G14 actually change anything? (Pitch Invasion) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Boyle</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2008/01/15/g-14-disbands-not-a-victory-for-football-as-a-whole/#comment-2190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Boyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's worth mentioning that Kenyon had an advantage here in that the G-14 did for themselves organisationally at the very start, when they insisted on unanimity; as a result, any attempt to expand the group was blocked by at least one club who didn't want someone else involved. He knew he was never going to get Chelsea in, and as a result, their continued exclusion played in the hands of UEFA, who could claim that the G-14 were totally self-serving, and couldn't even claim to represent 'big clubs' let alone all clubs. Platini was canny enough to spot this and bring Kenyon into the fold, and I'd have thought the latter would be all to pleased to help. After all, he won't be at Chelsea forever, and who knows what comes next?

It's an interesting debate as to what this means though. From one perspective, I'm pleased; the G-14 were self-serving, and have gotten a lot of what they wanted anyway. Tom's right not to see this as a victory for democracy in any way, but I think we have to view this as a victory of sorts. G-14 were heavily lobbying for years for more power within UEFA, more power in world football and they had been furiously spinning against the increasing involvement of European Union officials in sports policy, which is something UEFA have been spinning equally furiously in favour of.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating - what will this club forum do, what powers will it have and what views will it take? UEFA have always felt that their policies were pitched at the heart of where most clubs were, against the interests of the biggest clubs against whom medium-to-small clubs were equally as threatened by the G-14. They'll be hoping the expanded forum will reflect that wider constituency with whom they feel able to make common cause.

I'd not describe it as peace in world football by any stretch though. My inclination is that the G-14 ran its course and the clubs knew it. In essence, what was possible to achieve through G-14 had been achieved, and what they wanted to achieve in future was not going to happen via the group. But the underlying issues will not go away, because those biggest clubs are no more capable of moderation than the scorpion getting a ride from the from across the river can stop stinging the frog. I'd say this was a narrow first-leg victory for the forces of progress, but the second-leg is still all to play for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning that Kenyon had an advantage here in that the G-14 did for themselves organisationally at the very start, when they insisted on unanimity; as a result, any attempt to expand the group was blocked by at least one club who didn&#8217;t want someone else involved. He knew he was never going to get Chelsea in, and as a result, their continued exclusion played in the hands of UEFA, who could claim that the G-14 were totally self-serving, and couldn&#8217;t even claim to represent &#8216;big clubs&#8217; let alone all clubs. Platini was canny enough to spot this and bring Kenyon into the fold, and I&#8217;d have thought the latter would be all to pleased to help. After all, he won&#8217;t be at Chelsea forever, and who knows what comes next?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting debate as to what this means though. From one perspective, I&#8217;m pleased; the G-14 were self-serving, and have gotten a lot of what they wanted anyway. Tom&#8217;s right not to see this as a victory for democracy in any way, but I think we have to view this as a victory of sorts. G-14 were heavily lobbying for years for more power within UEFA, more power in world football and they had been furiously spinning against the increasing involvement of European Union officials in sports policy, which is something UEFA have been spinning equally furiously in favour of.</p>
<p>The proof of the pudding will be in the eating - what will this club forum do, what powers will it have and what views will it take? UEFA have always felt that their policies were pitched at the heart of where most clubs were, against the interests of the biggest clubs against whom medium-to-small clubs were equally as threatened by the G-14. They&#8217;ll be hoping the expanded forum will reflect that wider constituency with whom they feel able to make common cause.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d not describe it as peace in world football by any stretch though. My inclination is that the G-14 ran its course and the clubs knew it. In essence, what was possible to achieve through G-14 had been achieved, and what they wanted to achieve in future was not going to happen via the group. But the underlying issues will not go away, because those biggest clubs are no more capable of moderation than the scorpion getting a ride from the from across the river can stop stinging the frog. I&#8217;d say this was a narrow first-leg victory for the forces of progress, but the second-leg is still all to play for.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Dunmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Dunmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - that's an incisive observation about Kenyon's role in this as I probably underplayed the influence of Chelsea, especially as an example of the "new guard" who came in and bought success, tutted at by the G-14  (as if Man Utd haven't been buying success for years!) but who they ultimately had to include. I suspect it's really Abramovich (who still wields power in Russian football too of course) rather than the dullard Kenyon pulling the strings on that.

pjdinho - I don't think so, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out for the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian - that&#8217;s an incisive observation about Kenyon&#8217;s role in this as I probably underplayed the influence of Chelsea, especially as an example of the &#8220;new guard&#8221; who came in and bought success, tutted at by the G-14  (as if Man Utd haven&#8217;t been buying success for years!) but who they ultimately had to include. I suspect it&#8217;s really Abramovich (who still wields power in Russian football too of course) rather than the dullard Kenyon pulling the strings on that.</p>
<p>pjdinho - I don&#8217;t think so, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out for the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: pjdinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjdinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will MLS clubs be compensated under this arrangement too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will MLS clubs be compensated under this arrangement too?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Tom, and I agree with you about the threat of the breakaway superleague having always been more or less fictional.  I highlighted that aspect of the deal on Run of Play largely out of relief that we wouldn't have to hear about it any more.

One of the most interesting aspects of this, for me, is the increasing personal influence of Peter Kenyon.  Reading between the lines (which is all we can do, unfortunately) it really looks like he outmaneuvered the G-14 by setting Chelsea up as the "big club" representative of all the smaller clubs that the G-14 excluded---which brought a new level of organization to the non-G-14 clubs and contributed, in turn, to the balance of power shifting away from the G-14.  Now everyone is saying that Kenyon will play a central role in the new European Club Association.  And somehow I always thought that he was kind of an airhead.  Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Tom, and I agree with you about the threat of the breakaway superleague having always been more or less fictional.  I highlighted that aspect of the deal on Run of Play largely out of relief that we wouldn&#8217;t have to hear about it any more.</p>
<p>One of the most interesting aspects of this, for me, is the increasing personal influence of Peter Kenyon.  Reading between the lines (which is all we can do, unfortunately) it really looks like he outmaneuvered the G-14 by setting Chelsea up as the &#8220;big club&#8221; representative of all the smaller clubs that the G-14 excluded&#8212;which brought a new level of organization to the non-G-14 clubs and contributed, in turn, to the balance of power shifting away from the G-14.  Now everyone is saying that Kenyon will play a central role in the new European Club Association.  And somehow I always thought that he was kind of an airhead.  Go figure.</p>
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