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	<title>Comments on: Myfootballclub.co.uk Spawns Mysoccerclubusa.com</title>
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		<title>By: Marc Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-profit status (501C3) usually requires several month delay (could be up to 6 months) in obtaining and also a few hundred dollars in application fees.</description>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, I totally understand where you are coming from, people have the right to know more about this.  I am a member of MYSCUSA and although I believe they are legit, I want to make sure they are as well.  I can see you are not smearing them, you rightfully just want to know the truth.  Anyone who gives their money away to a group deserves to know where it is going.  As a member, I want to try and find out more from the founders about their legal stance.  What sort of information is needed to know if they are legit?

One thing I think has to be said though, these guys who started this aren't professionals and thats perfectly fine.  They are soccer fans like all of us who saw a good idea, and wanted to try it here in the states.  I respect them for trying this, just as long as they are legally legit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I totally understand where you are coming from, people have the right to know more about this.  I am a member of MYSCUSA and although I believe they are legit, I want to make sure they are as well.  I can see you are not smearing them, you rightfully just want to know the truth.  Anyone who gives their money away to a group deserves to know where it is going.  As a member, I want to try and find out more from the founders about their legal stance.  What sort of information is needed to know if they are legit?</p>
<p>One thing I think has to be said though, these guys who started this aren&#8217;t professionals and thats perfectly fine.  They are soccer fans like all of us who saw a good idea, and wanted to try it here in the states.  I respect them for trying this, just as long as they are legally legit.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Dunmore</title>
		<link>http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/11/16/myfootballclubcouk-spawns-mysoccerclubusacom/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Dunmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I'm not "smearing" anyone; such an accusation is groundless. 

All I'm asking is for some simple questions to be answered regarding this venture. The founder simply refuses to answer questions on repeated occasions about this venture's status. 

MyFC, whatever one thinks of it, at least explain where the money is going (27.5GPB to the "trust", and 7.50 to "administration"), whereas MySoccerClub is not explaining things. If people still want to give them their money, then fine -- I'm just asking questions, which is perfectly legitimate whether it makes me "sad" or not.

I would be all in favour of this were it properly organised, and I've repeated twice that this does not appear to be a "scam" -- such is not my claim. It seems to be well-meaning.

But on this site, we question all those who take football fans' money and are not transparent in their activities, from Fifa to Manchester United to Mysoccerclub. The bottom of the ladder might be more well-meaning, but I'd say they should be working to set an example in transparency (given the lack of it at the top of the ladder) rather than in obfuscating things.

Call me "sad", fine, that's your opinion; claim I'm perpetrating a "smear", and you'll need to back that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I&#8217;m not &#8220;smearing&#8221; anyone; such an accusation is groundless. </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m asking is for some simple questions to be answered regarding this venture. The founder simply refuses to answer questions on repeated occasions about this venture&#8217;s status. </p>
<p>MyFC, whatever one thinks of it, at least explain where the money is going (27.5GPB to the &#8220;trust&#8221;, and 7.50 to &#8220;administration&#8221;), whereas MySoccerClub is not explaining things. If people still want to give them their money, then fine &#8212; I&#8217;m just asking questions, which is perfectly legitimate whether it makes me &#8220;sad&#8221; or not.</p>
<p>I would be all in favour of this were it properly organised, and I&#8217;ve repeated twice that this does not appear to be a &#8220;scam&#8221; &#8212; such is not my claim. It seems to be well-meaning.</p>
<p>But on this site, we question all those who take football fans&#8217; money and are not transparent in their activities, from Fifa to Manchester United to Mysoccerclub. The bottom of the ladder might be more well-meaning, but I&#8217;d say they should be working to set an example in transparency (given the lack of it at the top of the ladder) rather than in obfuscating things.</p>
<p>Call me &#8220;sad&#8221;, fine, that&#8217;s your opinion; claim I&#8217;m perpetrating a &#8220;smear&#8221;, and you&#8217;ll need to back that up.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gamborda</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gamborda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom you're a sad man that really needs to move on, does this make you feel better about yourself ? trying to smear others efforts, i'm not a member of MySC USA yet, but i have spoken to the people behind the effort and they surely have they're things together. I'm sure if someone had that little going on in their lives they could dig around and finds all kind of postings you've done. So simply grow up and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom you&#8217;re a sad man that really needs to move on, does this make you feel better about yourself ? trying to smear others efforts, i&#8217;m not a member of MySC USA yet, but i have spoken to the people behind the effort and they surely have they&#8217;re things together. I&#8217;m sure if someone had that little going on in their lives they could dig around and finds all kind of postings you&#8217;ve done. So simply grow up and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: My Soccer Club: Now We Americans Can Buy a Team for $50 apiece - North America - The Offside - Soccer News and Opinion from leagues around the world</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Soccer Club: Now We Americans Can Buy a Team for $50 apiece - North America - The Offside - Soccer News and Opinion from leagues around the world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  As noted in the comments, Tom over at Pitch Invasion has some thoughts on this, as well as questions that we should probably all wonder about before we fork over our $50. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  As noted in the comments, Tom over at Pitch Invasion has some thoughts on this, as well as questions that we should probably all wonder about before we fork over our $50. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Dunmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Dunmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patric, it's almost certainly one of the founders commenting on there. Since they don't put their names to anything, that's hard to prove (another example of what an amateur operation this is. You might think this blog is "poor journalism", but at least I'm not afraid to put my name to it.)

Evidence: One user commenting on MyFC is called "walkingcity", and funnily enough, there are domain redirects from walking-city.com coming up when you go to mysoccerclubusa.com.  He also answers the latest question on that thread by saying "we're still researching several locations to find the best fit, members are suggesting locations on the forums."

Furthermore, there is a &lt;a href="http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=579422&#038;highlight=mysoccerclubusa.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;thread on Bigsoccer&lt;/a&gt; started by "walkingcity" that begins with the line "Hey, im trying to gauge support for a scheme similiar to myfootballclub.co.uk, based in the US, possible a USL2/PDL or NPSL team i've seen some related posts, but they are looking to do some different things, would anyone be interested in a very similiar set up as the UK folks?" -- posted at 02 Aug 2007, 10:03 PM.

The WHOIS records for www.mysoccerclubusa.com give the following details:

Hayward, Trevor  
tv@walking-city.com
Walking City Records    

Finally, my request to Trevor for further information was not responded to for weeks. I received a speedy reply initially; then as soon as I asked questions about the financial set-up, no response for weeks.  He finally responded yesterday, and I'll update with that information soon.  But if you're going to take people's money, it's slapdash to not respond in a reasonable timeframe -- and that's measured in days, not weeks.

Don't accuse me of inaccuracy with no evidence of your own. They are marketing off of the MyFC idea. And actually, that's not my problem with it at all, that's perfectly valid. The problem is the rushed nature of this, taking people's money without everything in place. And again, I didn't attribute malice to this or call it a scam. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be judged for what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patric, it&#8217;s almost certainly one of the founders commenting on there. Since they don&#8217;t put their names to anything, that&#8217;s hard to prove (another example of what an amateur operation this is. You might think this blog is &#8220;poor journalism&#8221;, but at least I&#8217;m not afraid to put my name to it.)</p>
<p>Evidence: One user commenting on MyFC is called &#8220;walkingcity&#8221;, and funnily enough, there are domain redirects from walking-city.com coming up when you go to mysoccerclubusa.com.  He also answers the latest question on that thread by saying &#8220;we&#8217;re still researching several locations to find the best fit, members are suggesting locations on the forums.&#8221;</p>
<p>Furthermore, there is a <a href="http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=579422&#038;highlight=mysoccerclubusa.com">thread on Bigsoccer</a> started by &#8220;walkingcity&#8221; that begins with the line &#8220;Hey, im trying to gauge support for a scheme similiar to myfootballclub.co.uk, based in the US, possible a USL2/PDL or NPSL team i&#8217;ve seen some related posts, but they are looking to do some different things, would anyone be interested in a very similiar set up as the UK folks?&#8221; &#8212; posted at 02 Aug 2007, 10:03 PM.</p>
<p>The WHOIS records for <a href="http://www.mysoccerclubusa.com">http://www.mysoccerclubusa.com</a> give the following details:</p>
<p>Hayward, Trevor<br />
<a href="mailto:tv@walking-city.com">tv@walking-city.com</a><br />
Walking City Records    </p>
<p>Finally, my request to Trevor for further information was not responded to for weeks. I received a speedy reply initially; then as soon as I asked questions about the financial set-up, no response for weeks.  He finally responded yesterday, and I&#8217;ll update with that information soon.  But if you&#8217;re going to take people&#8217;s money, it&#8217;s slapdash to not respond in a reasonable timeframe &#8212; and that&#8217;s measured in days, not weeks.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t accuse me of inaccuracy with no evidence of your own. They are marketing off of the MyFC idea. And actually, that&#8217;s not my problem with it at all, that&#8217;s perfectly valid. The problem is the rushed nature of this, taking people&#8217;s money without everything in place. And again, I didn&#8217;t attribute malice to this or call it a scam. But that doesn&#8217;t mean it shouldn&#8217;t be judged for what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Patric Westenfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patric Westenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe they have a single thread on the forum, started by a member, not the founders of the project, they've told their current members not to spam the MyFC forum and too keep all discussion limited to that single thread, if i were you i would do a bit more research on a project before writing an inaccurate article, its poor journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe they have a single thread on the forum, started by a member, not the founders of the project, they&#8217;ve told their current members not to spam the MyFC forum and too keep all discussion limited to that single thread, if i were you i would do a bit more research on a project before writing an inaccurate article, its poor journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Dunmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Dunmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read what I wrote, Patric, you'll see I noted exactly that, and even quoted from the website.

However, they only really got off the ground after the success of MyFC, and I've seen one of their founders trying to attract members on the MyFC board. It's become a key part of their marketing strategy everywhere I've seen them tout it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read what I wrote, Patric, you&#8217;ll see I noted exactly that, and even quoted from the website.</p>
<p>However, they only really got off the ground after the success of MyFC, and I&#8217;ve seen one of their founders trying to attract members on the MyFC board. It&#8217;s become a key part of their marketing strategy everywhere I&#8217;ve seen them tout it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patric Westenfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patric Westenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this article is a bit harsh, i am a member of My Soccer Club USA, and if you had correctly read the site you would see that it is not a clone of myfootballclub. This site has been in the works long before myfootballclub and aims to do something completely different, starting a club from the ground up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this article is a bit harsh, i am a member of My Soccer Club USA, and if you had correctly read the site you would see that it is not a clone of myfootballclub. This site has been in the works long before myfootballclub and aims to do something completely different, starting a club from the ground up.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The URL seems OK.  I read somewhere they reckon they will buy a club by the end of the season.  I would rather have funs owned by football supporters than the Glazers of this world, so good luck to them !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The URL seems OK.  I read somewhere they reckon they will buy a club by the end of the season.  I would rather have funs owned by football supporters than the Glazers of this world, so good luck to them !</p>
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