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	<title>Comments on: Arsenal Fans Sue Arsenal over anti-Spurs, anti-Yid Chants</title>
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		<title>By: HeavyGod</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeavyGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good and really interesting post. I expect (and other readers maybe :)) new useful posts from you! 
Good luck and successes in blogging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good and really interesting post. I expect (and other readers maybe <img src='http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) new useful posts from you!<br />
Good luck and successes in blogging!</p>
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		<title>By: Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its neither malignant anti-semitism nor benign rivalry. Its ignorant racism. And its on both sides. The Tottenham season ticket holders who chant this should also be treated in the same way by their club, and ejected from games. 

Ignorance is not and should never be considered an acceptable excuse for racism. It is little different to the use of the obvious &quot;n&quot; word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its neither malignant anti-semitism nor benign rivalry. Its ignorant racism. And its on both sides. The Tottenham season ticket holders who chant this should also be treated in the same way by their club, and ejected from games. </p>
<p>Ignorance is not and should never be considered an acceptable excuse for racism. It is little different to the use of the obvious &#8220;n&#8221; word.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be an issue of different legal traditions.  Here in Canada we wouldn&#039;t make the distinction between abusive language on religious grounds and abusive language on racial grounds.  

Personally, that distinction seems like hair-splitting to me.  I mean, you could argue that &quot;Paki&quot; isn&#039;t racist either, because there is no racial distinction between South Asian Muslims and Hindus , so &quot;really&quot; it&#039;s just a religious term.  Which is OK, apparently.

How does that work in Northern Ireland, then?  Is it OK to use religiously-tinged invective in public places there?  Or are there laws against it.  And if there are laws, why wouldn&#039;t they apply in this case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be an issue of different legal traditions.  Here in Canada we wouldn&#8217;t make the distinction between abusive language on religious grounds and abusive language on racial grounds.  </p>
<p>Personally, that distinction seems like hair-splitting to me.  I mean, you could argue that &#8220;Paki&#8221; isn&#8217;t racist either, because there is no racial distinction between South Asian Muslims and Hindus , so &#8220;really&#8221; it&#8217;s just a religious term.  Which is OK, apparently.</p>
<p>How does that work in Northern Ireland, then?  Is it OK to use religiously-tinged invective in public places there?  Or are there laws against it.  And if there are laws, why wouldn&#8217;t they apply in this case?</p>
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		<title>By: dougie brimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougie brimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago, I was involved in a case which was exactly the same as this. 

Two Arsenal fans had been arrested at White Hart Lane for using racist abuse when they had simply been singing the old &#039;We hate Yids&#039; song and I was asked to provide expert testimony to prove the association the word &#039;Yid&#039; has with Spurs fans. 

It was pretty straightforward and the case was dropped as soon as the prosecution lawyers were handed my report and so I really am amazed that this has come up again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, I was involved in a case which was exactly the same as this. </p>
<p>Two Arsenal fans had been arrested at White Hart Lane for using racist abuse when they had simply been singing the old &#8216;We hate Yids&#8217; song and I was asked to provide expert testimony to prove the association the word &#8216;Yid&#8217; has with Spurs fans. </p>
<p>It was pretty straightforward and the case was dropped as soon as the prosecution lawyers were handed my report and so I really am amazed that this has come up again.</p>
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		<title>By: The Revolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antonio G – you seem to be mixing race with religion as do the lawyers perusing this case. There is a clear difference between a race and a religion and in this case there is no &quot;Jewish race&quot; and therefore it could not be covered by The Race Relations Act (1976).

As this article says; the question, instead, seems to hinge on whether or not chants involving the word “Yid” are racist in this context. No they are not racist. They may be viewed offensive to those of the Jewish faith but the same could be said most football chants that are there to cause offence to certain groups of supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antonio G – you seem to be mixing race with religion as do the lawyers perusing this case. There is a clear difference between a race and a religion and in this case there is no &#8220;Jewish race&#8221; and therefore it could not be covered by The Race Relations Act (1976).</p>
<p>As this article says; the question, instead, seems to hinge on whether or not chants involving the word “Yid” are racist in this context. No they are not racist. They may be viewed offensive to those of the Jewish faith but the same could be said most football chants that are there to cause offence to certain groups of supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Dose 11.11.07 - World Football - The Offside - Soccer News and Opinion from leagues around the world</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Dose 11.11.07 - World Football - The Offside - Soccer News and Opinion from leagues around the world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Antonio G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBK  - Replace the word &quot;yid&quot; with &quot;nigger&quot; and &quot;Jewish faith&quot; with &quot;black&quot; and see how your argument   sounds.

Anti-semitism is racism but because Jews a) aren&#039;t a particularly visible minority and b) aren&#039;t really seen as a marginalized group within society, this kind of chanting is seen as a little more benign than - say - monkey grunting.

But good on these fans.  Someone needs to spur (no pun intended) Premiership clubs to get serious about this issue.

(This isn&#039;t just a football issue in England, either.  I heard some of the most appalling anti-semitic drivel come out of the mouth of a very senior member of HM&#039;s civil service at a conference last May.  I understand that he was trying to suck up to the Saudis who were hosting the event, but there was absolutely no need for it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBK  &#8211; Replace the word &#8220;yid&#8221; with &#8220;nigger&#8221; and &#8220;Jewish faith&#8221; with &#8220;black&#8221; and see how your argument   sounds.</p>
<p>Anti-semitism is racism but because Jews a) aren&#8217;t a particularly visible minority and b) aren&#8217;t really seen as a marginalized group within society, this kind of chanting is seen as a little more benign than &#8211; say &#8211; monkey grunting.</p>
<p>But good on these fans.  Someone needs to spur (no pun intended) Premiership clubs to get serious about this issue.</p>
<p>(This isn&#8217;t just a football issue in England, either.  I heard some of the most appalling anti-semitic drivel come out of the mouth of a very senior member of HM&#8217;s civil service at a conference last May.  I understand that he was trying to suck up to the Saudis who were hosting the event, but there was absolutely no need for it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Online Betting King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online Betting King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Chelsea fan I have been witness to and indeed taken part in songs or chants which have included the words &#039;yids&#039; or &#039;yiddo&#039;s&#039; but I personally have no hatred for Jews and I believe that this is the case with the vast majority of Chelsea supporters.
I have heard these chants as I have grown up at games and in pubs before hand but have only ever related the term &#039;yid&#039; with a Tottenham fan, never to the Jewish faith.
I believe it is now commonly seen as a &#039;nickname&#039; which is associated with Spurs and the fact that they have taken this term on as their own confounds this.
I may be totally out of order but this is my view, I&#039;d be interested in finding out what others thought though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Chelsea fan I have been witness to and indeed taken part in songs or chants which have included the words &#8216;yids&#8217; or &#8216;yiddo&#8217;s&#8217; but I personally have no hatred for Jews and I believe that this is the case with the vast majority of Chelsea supporters.<br />
I have heard these chants as I have grown up at games and in pubs before hand but have only ever related the term &#8216;yid&#8217; with a Tottenham fan, never to the Jewish faith.<br />
I believe it is now commonly seen as a &#8216;nickname&#8217; which is associated with Spurs and the fact that they have taken this term on as their own confounds this.<br />
I may be totally out of order but this is my view, I&#8217;d be interested in finding out what others thought though.</p>
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