Comments on: An American in Paris, With Scots http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/ Exploring football culture around the world Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:22:20 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Pazintys http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-6269 Pazintys Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:47:55 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-6269 Very nice piece. Glad you had a chance for such a singular experience Very nice piece. Glad you had a chance for such a singular experience

]]> By: Blake Nagel http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-6067 Blake Nagel Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:42:49 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-6067 Paris is awesome and I agree that the Scots are quite tame in soccer opposed to their southern country man the Brits. I think it also depends where you meet them as some can perhaps be a little more agressive. Paris is awesome and I agree that the Scots are quite tame in soccer opposed to their southern country man the Brits. I think it also depends where you meet them as some can perhaps be a little more agressive.

]]> By: Pitch Invasion · A Look Back at 2007 and Forward to 2008 http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-1853 Pitch Invasion · A Look Back at 2007 and Forward to 2008 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:28:29 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-1853 [...] (The Offside, LA Galaxy Offside) found the joy of Scottish fans irresistible, and explained her obsession with a certain French [...] [...] (The Offside, LA Galaxy Offside) found the joy of Scottish fans irresistible, and explained her obsession with a certain French [...]

]]> By: James T http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-462 James T Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:44:16 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-462 I don't agree with the comment that in the 70's the tartan army were hooligans, the hooligan element was restricted to the clubs. The tartan army were more boisterous in the 70's and would invade pitches when we beat teams to take home souvenirs. The tartan army has always been a peaceful force and has always gone to games abroad with the devout intention to have a jolly magic and memorable good time and leave feeling we promoted our country and friendship in a lasting memory. However it is good seeing the report from an American female, we need more of this positive writing from a non bias viewpoint. I don’t agree with the comment that in the 70’s the tartan army were hooligans, the hooligan element was restricted to the clubs. The tartan army were more boisterous in the 70’s and would invade pitches when we beat teams to take home souvenirs. The tartan army has always been a peaceful force and has always gone to games abroad with the devout intention to have a jolly magic and memorable good time and leave feeling we promoted our country and friendship in a lasting memory.

However it is good seeing the report from an American female, we need more of this positive writing from a non bias viewpoint.

]]> By: Laurie http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-461 Laurie Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:25:20 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-461 Now I'm finding myself wondering how Scotland managed to change an entire fan culture. Because truly, it was as if every single one of these 15,000 has gotten the memo about being "Europe's cuddly drunks." How does a change like this happen, do you think, if they were indeed hooligans in the '70s? My other main "fan culture" event in Paris this trip was realizing that the McDonald's I was using to get my to get my bearings was the place where 100 Paris St. Germain right-wing ultras pinned down and attacked a Jewish Hapoel Tel Aviv fan and a black policeman after a game last November. This led to two PSG fans being shot, one fatally. It's in a very wealthy neighborhood, too -- the last place you would expect something like this to happen. Wouldn't it be nice if there were some simple way to alter fan culture? Maybe turn them all into cuddly drunks... Is it the kilts, do you think? ;-) Now I’m finding myself wondering how Scotland managed to change an entire fan culture. Because truly, it was as if every single one of these 15,000 has gotten the memo about being “Europe’s cuddly drunks.” How does a change like this happen, do you think, if they were indeed hooligans in the ’70s?

My other main “fan culture” event in Paris this trip was realizing that the McDonald’s I was using to get my to get my bearings was the place where 100 Paris St. Germain right-wing ultras pinned down and attacked a Jewish Hapoel Tel Aviv fan and a black policeman after a game last November. This led to two PSG fans being shot, one fatally. It’s in a very wealthy neighborhood, too — the last place you would expect something like this to happen.

Wouldn’t it be nice if there were some simple way to alter fan culture? Maybe turn them all into cuddly drunks…

Is it the kilts, do you think? ;-)

]]> By: Ian P http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-460 Ian P Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:19:57 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-460 I'm pleased to hear the Scots still have the same welcome we received at Italia 90, though it wasn't always like this -- in the early 70s they had the same reputation as the English. But the Scots hate looking like the English, so (like the Irish later) they became Europe's cuddly drunks, consuming alcohol in copious but benevolent fashion, and hiking their kilts obligingly for the local media. There's a whole diaspora of bar-owning Scots in Riga and Vilnius who stayed on after qualifying games there in the 90s, and who seemed to hold some inexplicable bellicose charm for the local women. Don't think it happened in the Faroes, though. I’m pleased to hear the Scots still have the same welcome we received at Italia 90, though it wasn’t always like this — in the early 70s they had the same reputation as the English. But the Scots hate looking like the English, so (like the Irish later) they became Europe’s cuddly drunks, consuming alcohol in copious but benevolent fashion, and hiking their kilts obligingly for the local media. There’s a whole diaspora of bar-owning Scots in Riga and Vilnius who stayed on after qualifying games there in the 90s, and who seemed to hold some inexplicable bellicose charm for the local women. Don’t think it happened in the Faroes, though.

]]> By: BoB http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-459 BoB Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:17:58 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-459 Great piece and glad to hear about fans who behave themselves but are still outstanding. Great piece and glad to hear about fans who behave themselves but are still outstanding.

]]> By: Ian Rose http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-458 Ian Rose Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:44:54 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-458 Best fans in the world, bar none. They will drink all the beer in your country, and they won't even fight. Alba Gu Brath. Best fans in the world, bar none. They will drink all the beer in your country, and they won’t even fight. Alba Gu Brath.

]]> By: Scotland Fans at the France-Scotland Game - FIFA World Cup 2006 - France World Cup Team Blog http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-457 Scotland Fans at the France-Scotland Game - FIFA World Cup 2006 - France World Cup Team Blog Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:35:42 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-457 [...] about France, but if you’d like to read about it and see a few more photos, stop by the blog Pitch Invasion. Like this post? Subscribe to World Cup RSS feeds, or get email updates by entering your address [...] [...] about France, but if you’d like to read about it and see a few more photos, stop by the blog Pitch Invasion. Like this post? Subscribe to World Cup RSS feeds, or get email updates by entering your address [...]

]]> By: ursus arctos http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/comment-page-1/#comment-456 ursus arctos Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:55:11 +0000 http://pitchinvasion.net/2007/09/28/an-american-in-paris-with-scots/#comment-456 Very nice piece. Glad you had a chance for such a singular experience, condolences on the result. The Scots' "peaceful occupation" of Paris had quite a profound impact on the French Ultra movement, with forums being filled with pictures and accounts full of unabashed awe and admiration for the entire week following the match. Very nice piece. Glad you had a chance for such a singular experience, condolences on the result.

The Scots’ “peaceful occupation” of Paris had quite a profound impact on the French Ultra movement, with forums being filled with pictures and accounts full of unabashed awe and admiration for the entire week following the match.

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